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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 19, 2008 01:00PM
I know that I can install the storage agent on a client and do LAN-free
backups of that client to tape or disk. But when I read pages 1&2, and
especially FIGURE 2 on page 2, it seems like you can also back up other
clients TO the storage agent over IP. If I understand it correctly, in
the dsm.sys file of the client without the storage agent, you specify
TCP/IP as your LANFREECOMMMETHOD, and for LANFREETCPSERVERADDRESS you
specify the IP address of the client WITH the storage agent. The client
without the storage agent would then back its data up over IP to the
client with the storage agent, and the client with the storage agent
would transfer that data via the SAN to disk or tape.

So here are my questions:

1. Have I interpreted this correctly?
2. If not, what did I get wrong?
3. If so, does anyone use this feature?
4. If no one uses the feature, why not? It would seem like it help
TSM scale farther.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 19, 2008 01:38PM
On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Curtis Preston wrote:
[quote]1. Have I interpreted this correctly?
[/quote]Yes

[quote]2. If not, what did I get wrong?
3. If so, does anyone use this feature?
[/quote]Yes, we do. We have to backup data over a remote SAN and we don't have enough
licenses for each client.

[quote]4. If no one uses the feature, why not? It would seem like it help
TSM scale farther.
[/quote]This is backup direct to tape. You can not use a disk based pool.
So you need enough tape drives for all the client. Or the data to backup is
small enough so don't hold the tapes too long.

Stef
LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 19, 2008 02:54PM
Stef Coene said:

[quote]Yes, we do [backup other clients to a LAN-free storage agent]
We have to backup data over a remote SAN and we don't have
enough licenses for each client.
[/quote]
Meaning you don't have enough storage agent licenses, right? So you
install the storage agent on one client, then direct several other
clients to back up to that storage agent using the feature I'm
describing?

[quote]This is backup direct to tape. You can not use a disk based pool.
So you need enough tape drives for all the client. Or the data to
backup is small enough so don't hold the tapes too long.
[/quote]
Ah, that would explain it. The last thing most TSM customers I work
with want is more tape mounts. This might be another case where a VTL
would come in handy.

Did I also read correctly that you CAN back up to disk if you have the
SANergy product? I'm not sure how much that costs, though. I'm
guessing it's not cheap. ;)

I'm delighted to find someone using this feature. Here are a few more
questions:

1. Does this change how the resulting backups are stored in the catalog
in any way (like they're listed as having been backed up from the
storage agent client, instead of the "real" client)?

2. Can you recover the same way? IOW, can the storage agent read the
associated tapes, or must the TSM server do the restore?

3. Can you also restore from the TSM server without using the storage
agent?

4. Does this create any sort of relationship between the storage agent
server and the client? For example, NetBackup has gotten better at
this, but you have to be careful when you decommissioned a media server,
as there is some sort of relationship that can get a bit wonky if you
decommission the media server in the wrong way.

5. I read that the storage agent will default to backing up over IP if
the SAN connection has gone away. Is there any way to turn that off?
IOW, tell it to fail the backup if it can't go over the SAN?

Thanks so much for your help.

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 19, 2008 02:58PM
[quote][quote]On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:37:02 +0100, Stef Coene <stef.coene < at > DOCUM.ORG> said:
[/quote][/quote]
[quote][quote]4. If no one uses the feature, why not? It would seem like it help
TSM scale farther.
[/quote][/quote]
[quote]This is backup direct to tape. You can not use a disk based pool.
So you need enough tape drives for all the client. Or the data to
backup is small enough so don't hold the tapes too long.
[/quote]

Or pay for SANergy... Or, does that still exist? Advertise a
SAN-based FILE volume as a SAN target?

- Allen S. Rout
LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 19, 2008 03:11PM
Sanergy still exists (http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/sanergy/), but I have no idea how much money we're talking about here, or how well it works. Anyone?

If I had to guess, I'd say that the pricing of SANergy would make it more expensive than going the VTL route, especially if you bought a dedupe VTL.

Curtis Preston  |  VP Data Protection  
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:58 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?

[quote][quote]On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:37:02 +0100, Stef Coene <stef.coene < at > DOCUM.ORG> said:
[/quote][/quote]
[quote][quote]4. If no one uses the feature, why not? It would seem like it help
TSM scale farther.
[/quote][/quote]
[quote]This is backup direct to tape. You can not use a disk based pool.
So you need enough tape drives for all the client. Or the data to
backup is small enough so don't hold the tapes too long.
[/quote]

Or pay for SANergy... Or, does that still exist? Advertise a
SAN-based FILE volume as a SAN target?

- Allen S. Rout

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 19, 2008 03:33PM
Stef,

I also forgot to ask what happens if the storage agent that a given
client is assigned to is down? Does ITs backups go to the TSM server
too?

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 12:22AM
On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Curtis Preston wrote:
[quote]Stef Coene said:
[quote]Yes, we do [backup other clients to a LAN-free storage agent]
We have to backup data over a remote SAN and we don't have
enough licenses for each client.
[/quote]
Meaning you don't have enough storage agent licenses, right? So you
install the storage agent on one client, then direct several other
clients to back up to that storage agent using the feature I'm
describing?
[/quote]Yes.
And we also have AIX clients behind a VIO server on the remote SAN. So they
don't have direct access to the SAN (the disks are mapped through the VIO
server) so they can not see the tape drives.

[quote]Did I also read correctly that you CAN back up to disk if you have the
SANergy product? I'm not sure how much that costs, though. I'm
guessing it's not cheap. ;)
[/quote]SANergy? I think it is not deadth, but I never (and we are a big business
partner) found a demo or a test version of it.
I hope that they will take the vtl technology from Diligence and put it in the
TSM server. So the TSM server can present a tape drive to the clients but
the data ends up in the disk pool. So the clients see a tape and they can do
SAN backup.

[quote]1. Does this change how the resulting backups are stored in the catalog
in any way (like they're listed as having been backed up from the
storage agent client, instead of the "real" client)?

2. Can you recover the same way? IOW, can the storage agent read the
associated tapes, or must the TSM server do the restore?
[/quote]No. It is only the data path. The SAN proxy is only a proxy.

[quote]3. Can you also restore from the TSM server without using the storage
agent?
[/quote]I never tried, but I'm sure it can.

[quote]4. Does this create any sort of relationship between the storage agent
server and the client? For example, NetBackup has gotten better at
this, but you have to be careful when you decommissioned a media server,
as there is some sort of relationship that can get a bit wonky if you
decommission the media server in the wrong way.
[/quote]No.

[quote]5. I read that the storage agent will default to backing up over IP if
the SAN connection has gone away. Is there any way to turn that off?
IOW, tell it to fail the backup if it can't go over the SAN?
[/quote]I never found such an option.

Stef
LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 12:23AM
On Thursday 20 November 2008, Curtis Preston wrote:
[quote]Stef,

I also forgot to ask what happens if the storage agent that a given
client is assigned to is down? Does ITs backups go to the TSM server
too?
[/quote]Fall back to LAN.

Stef
LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 04:11AM
I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk that . . .

[quote]Or pay for SANergy... Or, does that still exist? Advertise a
SAN-based FILE volume as a SAN target?

- Allen S. Rout
[/quote]
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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 05:28AM
You probably think that because it is - 2nd to last bullet here:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp?toc=/com.ibm.itsmagent.doc/toc.xml

That same blurb is there back to TSM 5.3, so it's been there for a while..

Nick Cassimatis
----- Forwarded by Nicholas Cassimatis/Raleigh/IBM on 11/20/2008 08:23 AM
-----

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 11/20/2008
07:10:17 AM:
[quote]Re: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
Richard Rhodes
to:
ADSM-L
11/20/2008 07:11 AM
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU>
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager".

I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk
[/quote]that . . .
[quote]
[/quote]
LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 07:21AM
I looked on the system where we store all our TSM files, and I see a
Sanergy file in the dir I keep the 5.4.0 Storage Agents. I probably
downloaded it when I downloaded the storageagents from Passport Advantage.

Rick

Nicholas
Cassimatis
<nickpc < at > US.IBM.CO To
M> ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Sent by: "ADSM: cc
Dist Stor
Manager" Subject
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing
.EDU> up other clients?

11/20/2008 08:28
AM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

You probably think that because it is - 2nd to last bullet here:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp?toc=/com.ibm.itsmagent.doc/toc.xml

That same blurb is there back to TSM 5.3, so it's been there for a while..

Nick Cassimatis
----- Forwarded by Nicholas Cassimatis/Raleigh/IBM on 11/20/2008 08:23 AM
-----

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 11/20/2008
07:10:17 AM:
[quote]Re: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
Richard Rhodes
to:
ADSM-L
11/20/2008 07:11 AM
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU>
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager".

I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk
[/quote]that . . .

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 09:28AM
Awesome. So you CAN back up to tape or disk with the storage agent, correct? (without buying anything additional)

Has anyone done this?

Curtis Preston  |  VP Data Protection  
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf Of Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:19 AM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?

I looked on the system where we store all our TSM files, and I see a
Sanergy file in the dir I keep the 5.4.0 Storage Agents. I probably
downloaded it when I downloaded the storageagents from Passport Advantage.

Rick

Nicholas
Cassimatis
<nickpc < at > US.IBM.CO To
M> ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Sent by: "ADSM: cc
Dist Stor
Manager" Subject
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing
.EDU> up other clients?

11/20/2008 08:28
AM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

You probably think that because it is - 2nd to last bullet here:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp?toc=/com.ibm.itsmagent.doc/toc.xml

That same blurb is there back to TSM 5.3, so it's been there for a while..

Nick Cassimatis
----- Forwarded by Nicholas Cassimatis/Raleigh/IBM on 11/20/2008 08:23 AM
-----

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 11/20/2008
07:10:17 AM:
[quote]Re: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
Richard Rhodes
to:
ADSM-L
11/20/2008 07:11 AM
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU>
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager".

I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk
[/quote]that . . .

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 10:22AM
I don't know if I would assume that implies a Sanergy license for the tsm
server.

Rick

Curtis Preston
<cpreston < at > GLASSHO
USE.COM> To
Sent by: "ADSM: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Dist Stor cc
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST Subject
.EDU> Re: Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing up other clients?

11/20/2008 12:28
PM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

Awesome. So you CAN back up to tape or disk with the storage agent,
correct? (without buying anything additional)

Has anyone done this?

Curtis Preston  |  VP Data Protection
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: +1 760 710 2009
cpreston < at > glasshouse.com |  www.glasshouse.com
Infrastructure :: Optimized
-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf Of
Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:19 AM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?

I looked on the system where we store all our TSM files, and I see a
Sanergy file in the dir I keep the 5.4.0 Storage Agents. I probably
downloaded it when I downloaded the storageagents from Passport Advantage.

Rick

Nicholas
Cassimatis
<nickpc < at > US.IBM.CO To
M> ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Sent by: "ADSM: cc
Dist Stor
Manager" Subject
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing
.EDU> up other clients?

11/20/2008 08:28
AM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

You probably think that because it is - 2nd to last bullet here:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp?toc=/com.ibm.itsmagent.doc/toc.xml

That same blurb is there back to TSM 5.3, so it's been there for a while..

Nick Cassimatis
----- Forwarded by Nicholas Cassimatis/Raleigh/IBM on 11/20/2008 08:23 AM
-----

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 11/20/2008
07:10:17 AM:
[quote]Re: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
Richard Rhodes
to:
ADSM-L
11/20/2008 07:11 AM
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU>
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager".

I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk
[/quote]that . . .

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 10:25AM
SANergy is a separate license, separately purchased.

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[quote]-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf
Of Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:21 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

I don't know if I would assume that implies a Sanergy license for the
tsm
server.

Rick

Curtis Preston
<cpreston < at > GLASSHO
USE.COM>
To
Sent by: "ADSM: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Dist Stor
cc
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
Subject
.EDU> Re: Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing up other clients?

11/20/2008 12:28
PM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

Awesome. So you CAN back up to tape or disk with the storage agent,
correct? (without buying anything additional)

Has anyone done this?

Curtis Preston  |  VP Data Protection
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: +1 760 710 2009
cpreston < at > glasshouse.com |  www.glasshouse.com
Infrastructure :: Optimized
-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf
Of
Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:19 AM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

I looked on the system where we store all our TSM files, and I see a
Sanergy file in the dir I keep the 5.4.0 Storage Agents. I probably
downloaded it when I downloaded the storageagents from Passport
Advantage.

Rick

Nicholas
Cassimatis
<nickpc < at > US.IBM.CO
To
M> ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Sent by: "ADSM:
cc
Dist Stor
Manager"
Subject
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing
.EDU> up other clients?

11/20/2008 08:28
AM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

You probably think that because it is - 2nd to last bullet here:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp?toc=/c
om.ibm.itsmagent.doc/toc.xml

That same blurb is there back to TSM 5.3, so it's been there for a
while..

Nick Cassimatis
----- Forwarded by Nicholas Cassimatis/Raleigh/IBM on 11/20/2008 08:23
AM
-----

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 11/20/2008
07:10:17 AM:
[quote]Re: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
Richard Rhodes
to:
ADSM-L
11/20/2008 07:11 AM
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU>
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager".

I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk
[/quote]that . . .

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 12:02PM
Incorrect, Kimosabe!

From the TSM 5.5 announcement letter:

LAN-free to disk support is available for specific IBM Tivoli Storage Manager systems, which are listed on the product Web pages. The customer's use of Tivoli SANergy components, included with IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Storage Area Networks, is limited to use of LAN-free backup and restore to disk, in conjunction with its licensed use of IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Storage Area Networks. The Tivoli SANergy components included with IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Storage Area Networks may not be used for any other purpose.

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-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf Of Mark Stapleton
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:24 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?

SANergy is a separate license, separately purchased.

--
Mark Stapleton (mark.stapleton < at > cdw.com)
CDW Berbee
System engineer
7145 Boone Avenue North, Suite 140
Brooklyn Park MN 55428-1511
763-592-5963
www.berbee.com

[quote]-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf
Of Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:21 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

I don't know if I would assume that implies a Sanergy license for the
tsm
server.

Rick

Curtis Preston
<cpreston < at > GLASSHO
USE.COM>
To
Sent by: "ADSM: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Dist Stor
cc
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
Subject
.EDU> Re: Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing up other clients?

11/20/2008 12:28
PM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

Awesome. So you CAN back up to tape or disk with the storage agent,
correct? (without buying anything additional)

Has anyone done this?

Curtis Preston  |  VP Data Protection
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: +1 760 710 2009
cpreston < at > glasshouse.com |  www.glasshouse.com
Infrastructure :: Optimized
-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf
Of
Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:19 AM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

I looked on the system where we store all our TSM files, and I see a
Sanergy file in the dir I keep the 5.4.0 Storage Agents. I probably
downloaded it when I downloaded the storageagents from Passport
Advantage.

Rick

Nicholas
Cassimatis
<nickpc < at > US.IBM.CO
To
M> ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Sent by: "ADSM:
cc
Dist Stor
Manager"
Subject
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing
.EDU> up other clients?

11/20/2008 08:28
AM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

You probably think that because it is - 2nd to last bullet here:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp?toc=/c
om.ibm.itsmagent.doc/toc.xml

That same blurb is there back to TSM 5.3, so it's been there for a
while..

Nick Cassimatis
----- Forwarded by Nicholas Cassimatis/Raleigh/IBM on 11/20/2008 08:23
AM
-----

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 11/20/2008
07:10:17 AM:
[quote]Re: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
Richard Rhodes
to:
ADSM-L
11/20/2008 07:11 AM
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU>
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager".

I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk
[/quote]that . . .

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 12:23PM
Well... He's still correct. ;) It is a separate license, but there is one included if you buy a storage manager license. ;)

Curtis Preston  |  VP Data Protection  
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
 
T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: +1 760 710 2009  
cpreston < at > glasshouse.com |  www.glasshouse.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf Of Orville Lantto
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:01 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?

Incorrect, Kimosabe!

From the TSM 5.5 announcement letter:

LAN-free to disk support is available for specific IBM Tivoli Storage Manager systems, which are listed on the product Web pages. The customer's use of Tivoli SANergy components, included with IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Storage Area Networks, is limited to use of LAN-free backup and restore to disk, in conjunction with its licensed use of IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Storage Area Networks. The Tivoli SANergy components included with IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Storage Area Networks may not be used for any other purpose.

Orville Lantto  |  Consultant  
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
 
orville.lantto < at > glasshouse.com |  www.glasshouse.com
Infrastructure :: Optimized

-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf Of Mark Stapleton
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:24 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?

SANergy is a separate license, separately purchased.

--
Mark Stapleton (mark.stapleton < at > cdw.com)
CDW Berbee
System engineer
7145 Boone Avenue North, Suite 140
Brooklyn Park MN 55428-1511
763-592-5963
www.berbee.com

[quote]-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf
Of Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:21 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

I don't know if I would assume that implies a Sanergy license for the
tsm
server.

Rick

Curtis Preston
<cpreston < at > GLASSHO
USE.COM>
To
Sent by: "ADSM: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Dist Stor
cc
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
Subject
.EDU> Re: Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing up other clients?

11/20/2008 12:28
PM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

Awesome. So you CAN back up to tape or disk with the storage agent,
correct? (without buying anything additional)

Has anyone done this?

Curtis Preston  |  VP Data Protection
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: +1 760 710 2009
cpreston < at > glasshouse.com |  www.glasshouse.com
Infrastructure :: Optimized
-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf
Of
Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:19 AM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

I looked on the system where we store all our TSM files, and I see a
Sanergy file in the dir I keep the 5.4.0 Storage Agents. I probably
downloaded it when I downloaded the storageagents from Passport
Advantage.

Rick

Nicholas
Cassimatis
<nickpc < at > US.IBM.CO
To
M> ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Sent by: "ADSM:
cc
Dist Stor
Manager"
Subject
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing
.EDU> up other clients?

11/20/2008 08:28
AM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

You probably think that because it is - 2nd to last bullet here:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp?toc=/c
om.ibm.itsmagent.doc/toc.xml

That same blurb is there back to TSM 5.3, so it's been there for a
while..

Nick Cassimatis
----- Forwarded by Nicholas Cassimatis/Raleigh/IBM on 11/20/2008 08:23
AM
-----

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 11/20/2008
07:10:17 AM:
[quote]Re: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
Richard Rhodes
to:
ADSM-L
11/20/2008 07:11 AM
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU>
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager".

I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk
[/quote]that . . .

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LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
November 20, 2008 01:14PM
On 20 nov 2008, at 21:01, Orville Lantto wrote:

[quote]Incorrect, Kimosabe!

From the TSM 5.5 announcement letter:

LAN-free to disk support is available for specific IBM Tivoli
Storage Manager systems, which are listed on the product Web pages.
The customer's use of Tivoli SANergy components, included with IBM
Tivoli Storage Manager for Storage Area Networks, is limited to use
of LAN-free backup and restore to disk, in conjunction with its
licensed use of IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Storage Area
Networks. The Tivoli SANergy components included with IBM Tivoli
Storage Manager for Storage Area Networks may not be used for any
other purpose.

[/quote]
Amazing, that IBM hasn't killed of this piece of *&^(*& they call a
shared filesystem. Even if they payed me to use it install it or
torture a customer with it, it's not worth it.

Anyway, if you wait a few month, lanfree to disk will support GPFS and
probably other shared filesystems.... And of course, this might be the
place where VTL solutions might play a role....

[quote]
Orville Lantto | Consultant
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.

orville.lantto < at > glasshouse.com | www.glasshouse.com
Infrastructure :: Optimized

-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On
Behalf Of Mark Stapleton
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:24 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

SANergy is a separate license, separately purchased.

--
Mark Stapleton (mark.stapleton < at > cdw.com)
CDW Berbee
System engineer
7145 Boone Avenue North, Suite 140
Brooklyn Park MN 55428-1511
763-592-5963
www.berbee.com

[quote]-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf
Of Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:21 PM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

I don't know if I would assume that implies a Sanergy license for the
tsm
server.

Rick

Curtis Preston
<cpreston < at > GLASSHO
USE.COM>
To
Sent by: "ADSM: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Dist Stor
cc
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
Subject
.EDU> Re: Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing up other clients?

11/20/2008 12:28
PM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

Awesome. So you CAN back up to tape or disk with the storage agent,
correct? (without buying anything additional)

Has anyone done this?

Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection
GlassHouse Technologies, Inc.
T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: +1 760 710 2009
cpreston < at > glasshouse.com | www.glasshouse.com
Infrastructure :: Optimized
-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto] On Behalf
Of
Richard Rhodes
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:19 AM
To: ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Fw: LAN-free storage agent backing up other
clients?

I looked on the system where we store all our TSM files, and I see a
Sanergy file in the dir I keep the 5.4.0 Storage Agents. I probably
downloaded it when I downloaded the storageagents from Passport
Advantage.

Rick

Nicholas
Cassimatis
<nickpc < at > US.IBM.CO
To
M> ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU
Sent by: "ADSM:
cc
Dist Stor
Manager"
Subject
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST Fw: LAN-free storage agent
backing
.EDU> up other clients?

11/20/2008 08:28
AM

Please respond to
"ADSM: Dist Stor
Manager"
<ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST
.EDU>

You probably think that because it is - 2nd to last bullet here:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp?toc=/c
om.ibm.itsmagent.doc/toc.xml

That same blurb is there back to TSM 5.3, so it's been there for a
while..

Nick Cassimatis
----- Forwarded by Nicholas Cassimatis/Raleigh/IBM on 11/20/2008
08:23
AM
-----

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 11/20/2008
07:10:17 AM:
[quote]Re: LAN-free storage agent backing up other clients?
Richard Rhodes
to:
ADSM-L
11/20/2008 07:11 AM
Sent by:
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L < at > VM.MARIST.EDU>
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager".

I have this thought in the back of my mind - that the Storage Agent
license comes with a SANergy license. I'm not sure why I thinkk
[/quote]that . . .

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