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Posted by Zoltan Forray 
With the demise of the B/A web-client in 7.1.8+, we are in desperate need
of an alternative solution to handling our DFS/ISILON backups.

Being a university, the big issue is that everyone wants control over
backups to be able to perform restores by themselves!

Our current (soon to be unusable) solution is 3-dedicated physical Windows
servers with 25-configurations/services (each) of the B/A client (each with
unique ports for the web-client). The backup schedules contain the
specific filesystem/mount it backs up. So, department level folks can use
a web browser to connect to the correct port on the backup servers to
manage their restores.

The volume of backups makes it almost impossible to shift everything to one
node (380TB / 225M objects) and if one server was able to handle it, it
would shift restore responsibility to some sort of "help desk"!

So, how do you handle this kind of scenario in your
institution/organization?

--
*Zoltan Forray*
Spectrum Protect (p.k.a. TSM) Software & Hardware Administrator
Xymon Monitor Administrator
VMware Administrator
Virginia Commonwealth University
UCC/Office of Technology Services
www.ucc.vcu.edu
zforray@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
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I feel for you Zoltan

My users are demanding, but at least the corporate management structure means I have some measure of control over their demands.

There is a TSM client REST API that came out at 7.1.3. This can be used to run backups and restores although the API guide explicitly states that it is not supposed to be used for long-running tasks. I don’t know if later versions have lifted that restriction.

Since you are a university, you might have some smart coders available. I envisage a web-based service that at the back end runs this API to select what to restore and then run it. That could all reside on the one box, with it effectively being a reverse proxy to your Windows backup servers.

As you aren’t the only one in this particular bind, the result might be commercially viable as a paid product. If it gets that far I claim 5% OK?

Cheers

Steve

Steven Harris
TSM Admin/Consultant
Canberra Australia


-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray
Sent: Friday, 12 January 2018 7:39 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] Looking for a solution for DFS backups - a.k.a. how do you do it

With the demise of the B/A web-client in 7.1.8+, we are in desperate need of an alternative solution to handling our DFS/ISILON backups.

Being a university, the big issue is that everyone wants control over backups to be able to perform restores by themselves!

Our current (soon to be unusable) solution is 3-dedicated physical Windows servers with 25-configurations/services (each) of the B/A client (each with unique ports for the web-client). The backup schedules contain the specific filesystem/mount it backs up. So, department level folks can use a web browser to connect to the correct port on the backup servers to manage their restores.

The volume of backups makes it almost impossible to shift everything to one node (380TB / 225M objects) and if one server was able to handle it, it would shift restore responsibility to some sort of "help desk"!

So, how do you handle this kind of scenario in your institution/organization?

--
*Zoltan Forray*
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I agree with Steven, the only solutions I can think of are build it or buy
it (if it's available, I never heard of anything like this).
I would design and build a low-level solution myself and test that with a
few users, if that works try and find somebody that can actually create a
pretty GUI around it and build it up from there.
As long as you are still using the BA client below it all and you only use
it for restores there isn't that much risk in it I think, I would go with
Powershell since you are doing the backup on Windows and it's capable stuff
and build something (that is very flexible) from there to later have
somebody code a webgui for.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Harris, Steven <
steven.harris@btfinancialgroup.com> wrote:

> I feel for you Zoltan
>
> My users are demanding, but at least the corporate management structure
> means I have some measure of control over their demands.
>
> There is a TSM client REST API that came out at 7.1.3. This can be used
> to run backups and restores although the API guide explicitly states that
> it is not supposed to be used for long-running tasks. I don’t know if
> later versions have lifted that restriction.
>
> Since you are a university, you might have some smart coders available. I
> envisage a web-based service that at the back end runs this API to select
> what to restore and then run it. That could all reside on the one box,
> with it effectively being a reverse proxy to your Windows backup servers.
>
> As you aren’t the only one in this particular bind, the result might be
> commercially viable as a paid product. If it gets that far I claim 5% OK?
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve
>
> Steven Harris
> TSM Admin/Consultant
> Canberra Australia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Zoltan Forray
> Sent: Friday, 12 January 2018 7:39 AM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: [ADSM-L] Looking for a solution for DFS backups - a.k.a. how do
> you do it
>
> With the demise of the B/A web-client in 7.1.8+, we are in desperate need
> of an alternative solution to handling our DFS/ISILON backups.
>
> Being a university, the big issue is that everyone wants control over
> backups to be able to perform restores by themselves!
>
> Our current (soon to be unusable) solution is 3-dedicated physical Windows
> servers with 25-configurations/services (each) of the B/A client (each with
> unique ports for the web-client). The backup schedules contain the
> specific filesystem/mount it backs up. So, department level folks can use
> a web browser to connect to the correct port on the backup servers to
> manage their restores.
>
> The volume of backups makes it almost impossible to shift everything to
> one node (380TB / 225M objects) and if one server was able to handle it, it
> would shift restore responsibility to some sort of "help desk"!
>
> So, how do you handle this kind of scenario in your
> institution/organization?
>
> --
> *Zoltan Forray*
> Spectrum Protect (p.k.a. TSM) Software & Hardware Administrator Xymon
> Monitor Administrator VMware Administrator Virginia Commonwealth University
> UCC/Office of Technology Services www.ucc.vcu.edu zforray@vcu.edu -
> 804-828-4807 Don't be a phishing victim - VCU and other reputable
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Thanks for the feedback. I understand the answers of "you are screwed
since IBM killed the part of the software you use - write your own" but
Management isn't going to allow a home-brew system.

I was hoping for suggestions to re-engineer the whole backup/restore
scenario/process.

Is anyone out there backing up DFS mounted storage/files? How do you do
it? What methodology do you use to backup and restore - in both corporate
and non-corporate environments?

FWIW, over the years we have been doing this, I could sort-of see this
disaster approaching as they kept adding more and more nodes/mounts/storage
to the CIFS/DFS mounts and expanding to 3-physical servers to handle the
load (which they don't since many of the backups run for close to 14-hours
due to the millions of files to scan and no way to do anything like
journaling) but nobody could come up with an alternative based on the
requirement of user-managed restores and the way we were doing it was
working - mostly......

So now that there is no choice but to force a different approach, we are
open to any and all suggestions...

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Stefan Folkerts <stefan.folkerts@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Steven, the only solutions I can think of are build it or buy
> it (if it's available, I never heard of anything like this).
> I would design and build a low-level solution myself and test that with a
> few users, if that works try and find somebody that can actually create a
> pretty GUI around it and build it up from there.
> As long as you are still using the BA client below it all and you only use
> it for restores there isn't that much risk in it I think, I would go with
> Powershell since you are doing the backup on Windows and it's capable stuff
> and build something (that is very flexible) from there to later have
> somebody code a webgui for.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Harris, Steven <
> steven.harris@btfinancialgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > I feel for you Zoltan
> >
> > My users are demanding, but at least the corporate management structure
> > means I have some measure of control over their demands.
> >
> > There is a TSM client REST API that came out at 7.1.3. This can be used
> > to run backups and restores although the API guide explicitly states that
> > it is not supposed to be used for long-running tasks. I don’t know if
> > later versions have lifted that restriction.
> >
> > Since you are a university, you might have some smart coders available. I
> > envisage a web-based service that at the back end runs this API to select
> > what to restore and then run it. That could all reside on the one box,
> > with it effectively being a reverse proxy to your Windows backup servers.
> >
> > As you aren’t the only one in this particular bind, the result might be
> > commercially viable as a paid product. If it gets that far I claim 5%
> OK?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Steven Harris
> > TSM Admin/Consultant
> > Canberra Australia
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > Zoltan Forray
> > Sent: Friday, 12 January 2018 7:39 AM
> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > Subject: [ADSM-L] Looking for a solution for DFS backups - a.k.a. how do
> > you do it
> >
> > With the demise of the B/A web-client in 7.1.8+, we are in desperate need
> > of an alternative solution to handling our DFS/ISILON backups.
> >
> > Being a university, the big issue is that everyone wants control over
> > backups to be able to perform restores by themselves!
> >
> > Our current (soon to be unusable) solution is 3-dedicated physical
> Windows
> > servers with 25-configurations/services (each) of the B/A client (each
> with
> > unique ports for the web-client). The backup schedules contain the
> > specific filesystem/mount it backs up. So, department level folks can
> use
> > a web browser to connect to the correct port on the backup servers to
> > manage their restores.
> >
> > The volume of backups makes it almost impossible to shift everything to
> > one node (380TB / 225M objects) and if one server was able to handle it,
> it
> > would shift restore responsibility to some sort of "help desk"!
> >
> > So, how do you handle this kind of scenario in your
> > institution/organization?
> >
> > --
> > *Zoltan Forray*
> > Spectrum Protect (p.k.a. TSM) Software & Hardware Administrator Xymon
> > Monitor Administrator VMware Administrator Virginia Commonwealth
> University
> > UCC/Office of Technology Services www.ucc.vcu.edu zforray@vcu.edu -
> > 804-828-4807 Don't be a phishing victim - VCU and other reputable
> > organizations will never use email to request that you reply with your
> > password, social security number or confidential personal information.
> For
> > more details visit http://phishing.vcu.edu/
> >
> >
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> >
> > For further details on the financial product please go to
> > http://www.bt.com.au
> >
> > Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance.
> >
>



--
*Zoltan Forray*
Spectrum Protect (p.k.a. TSM) Software & Hardware Administrator
Xymon Monitor Administrator
VMware Administrator
Virginia Commonwealth University
UCC/Office of Technology Services
www.ucc.vcu.edu
zforray@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
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Zoltan, since these are Windows file servers, could Volume Shadow Copies work for you and your users? You'd likely need more disk to store the periodic volume snapshots. And, you'll have to train users how to use the "Previous Versions" feature in the Windows File Explorer. Then, you only have "help desk" restore requests when users cannot find a "Previous Version".

That is how we handle our "self-service" restores.

Too bad you can't submit this as a project to your Computer Science department for the grad students to complete. It sounds like a fun project. *smile*

Good luck, Zoltan!

Ray

Ray Storer
NIBCO INC. | Intel Systems Specialist
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-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Zoltan Forray
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:42 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Looking for a solution for DFS backups - a.k.a. how do you do it

Thanks for the feedback. I understand the answers of "you are screwed since IBM killed the part of the software you use - write your own" but Management isn't going to allow a home-brew system.

I was hoping for suggestions to re-engineer the whole backup/restore scenario/process.

Is anyone out there backing up DFS mounted storage/files? How do you do it? What methodology do you use to backup and restore - in both corporate and non-corporate environments?

FWIW, over the years we have been doing this, I could sort-of see this disaster approaching as they kept adding more and more nodes/mounts/storage to the CIFS/DFS mounts and expanding to 3-physical servers to handle the load (which they don't since many of the backups run for close to 14-hours due to the millions of files to scan and no way to do anything like
journaling) but nobody could come up with an alternative based on the requirement of user-managed restores and the way we were doing it was working - mostly......

So now that there is no choice but to force a different approach, we are open to any and all suggestions...

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Stefan Folkerts <stefan.folkerts@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Steven, the only solutions I can think of are build it or
> buy it (if it's available, I never heard of anything like this).
> I would design and build a low-level solution myself and test that
> with a few users, if that works try and find somebody that can
> actually create a pretty GUI around it and build it up from there.
> As long as you are still using the BA client below it all and you only
> use it for restores there isn't that much risk in it I think, I would
> go with Powershell since you are doing the backup on Windows and it's
> capable stuff and build something (that is very flexible) from there
> to later have somebody code a webgui for.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Harris, Steven <
> steven.harris@btfinancialgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > I feel for you Zoltan
> >
> > My users are demanding, but at least the corporate management
> > structure means I have some measure of control over their demands.
> >
> > There is a TSM client REST API that came out at 7.1.3. This can be
> > used to run backups and restores although the API guide explicitly
> > states that it is not supposed to be used for long-running tasks. I
> > don’t know if later versions have lifted that restriction.
> >
> > Since you are a university, you might have some smart coders
> > available. I envisage a web-based service that at the back end runs
> > this API to select what to restore and then run it. That could all
> > reside on the one box, with it effectively being a reverse proxy to your Windows backup servers.
> >
> > As you aren’t the only one in this particular bind, the result might
> > be commercially viable as a paid product. If it gets that far I
> > claim 5%
> OK?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Steven Harris
> > TSM Admin/Consultant
> > Canberra Australia
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of Zoltan Forray
> > Sent: Friday, 12 January 2018 7:39 AM
> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > Subject: [ADSM-L] Looking for a solution for DFS backups - a.k.a.
> > how do you do it
> >
> > With the demise of the B/A web-client in 7.1.8+, we are in desperate
> > need of an alternative solution to handling our DFS/ISILON backups.
> >
> > Being a university, the big issue is that everyone wants control
> > over backups to be able to perform restores by themselves!
> >
> > Our current (soon to be unusable) solution is 3-dedicated physical
> Windows
> > servers with 25-configurations/services (each) of the B/A client
> > (each
> with
> > unique ports for the web-client). The backup schedules contain the
> > specific filesystem/mount it backs up. So, department level folks
> > can
> use
> > a web browser to connect to the correct port on the backup servers
> > to manage their restores.
> >
> > The volume of backups makes it almost impossible to shift everything
> > to one node (380TB / 225M objects) and if one server was able to
> > handle it,
> it
> > would shift restore responsibility to some sort of "help desk"!
> >
> > So, how do you handle this kind of scenario in your
> > institution/organization?
> >
> > --
> > *Zoltan Forray*
> > Spectrum Protect (p.k.a. TSM) Software & Hardware Administrator
> > Xymon Monitor Administrator VMware Administrator Virginia
> > Commonwealth
> University
> > UCC/Office of Technology Services
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> > You should
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