Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX]
Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?
May 09, 2018 07:59AM
Greetings everyone,

Our shop is TSM 717000 on AIX, with lots of Win BA clients v7164 with journaling enabled.

In a restore test of a Windows node, we found that a file that was changed in 2017 was never backed up.
We thus kept the previous iteration (circa 2016) as active in the actual node data.

We were led to journaling FAQ at http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21681523
So, now we are looking to implement the recommended "periodic FULL INCREMENTAL BACKUPS".

We have no actual access to the Windows clients, except for DSMCAD...
Thus I thought of doing a periodic rotation of node clopt on the server-side,
however it seems that the NOJOURNAL option is only valid on the dsmc command-line.

How have you guys gone about implementing this ?

Luc
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Marc Lanteigne
Re: Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?
May 09, 2018 07:59AM
Hi Luc,

You should be able to define a client schedule with "option=-nojournal"

So you would have two schedule. The current one, plus one that
periodically does -nojournal.

-
Thanks,
Marc...
________________________________________________________
Marc Lanteigne
Spectrum Protect Specialist AVP / SRT
416.478.0233 | marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com
Office Hours: Monday to Friday, 7:00 to 16:00 Eastern

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX]
[mailto:Luc.Michaud2@STM.INFO]
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:17 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?

Greetings everyone,

Our shop is TSM 717000 on AIX, with lots of Win BA clients v7164 with
journaling enabled.

In a restore test of a Windows node, we found that a file that was changed
in 2017 was never backed up.
We thus kept the previous iteration (circa 2016) as active in the actual
node data.

We were led to journaling FAQ at
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21681523
So, now we are looking to implement the recommended "periodic FULL
INCREMENTAL BACKUPS".

We have no actual access to the Windows clients, except for DSMCAD...
Thus I thought of doing a periodic rotation of node clopt on the
server-side, however it seems that the NOJOURNAL option is only valid on
the dsmc command-line.

How have you guys gone about implementing this ?

Luc
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Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX]
Re: Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?
May 09, 2018 08:59AM
Hi Marc,



Thanks for the feedback.



I forgot to state that the Windows admins have historically put in place a batch file to take backups.

It's been forked into more that 50 versions since.

None of which forward any of its cmdline arguments to the actual "dsmc i" command.



I've since been looking at the "Journal-based backup" section of the BA client install and users guide.

It lists about 7 possible ways to invalidate the journal db.

Most are not applicable to steady state (changed node, fs, server)

However, I see 2 ways that would work in my universe :

1. "A policy changes occurs (new policy set activation)"

2. "The journal service is not running"

3. The journal service is stopped or started for any reason, even if it is restarted because the system is rebooted.

I think I'll focus on the 2nd way.

Looking into using DSMCAD to run "dsmcutil stop /name:"TSM Journal Service"" and "dsmcutil start /name:"TSM Journal Service"" as one-shots.



I'll keep you guys posted.



Still open to other approaches.



Regards,



Luc



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De : ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] De la part de Marc Lanteigne
Envoyé : 9 mai 2018 10:29
À : ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Objet : Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?



Hi Luc,



You should be able to define a client schedule with "option=-nojournal"



So you would have two schedule. The current one, plus one that periodically does -nojournal.



-

Thanks,

Marc...

________________________________________________________

Marc Lanteigne

Spectrum Protect Specialist AVP / SRT

416.478.0233 | marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com<mailto:marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com>

Office Hours: Monday to Friday, 7:00 to 16:00 Eastern



Follow me on: Twitter, developerWorks, LinkedIn





-----Original Message-----

From: Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX] [mailto:Luc.Michaud2@STM.INFO]

Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:17 AM

To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU<mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>

Subject: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?



Greetings everyone,



Our shop is TSM 717000 on AIX, with lots of Win BA clients v7164 with journaling enabled.



In a restore test of a Windows node, we found that a file that was changed in 2017 was never backed up.

We thus kept the previous iteration (circa 2016) as active in the actual node data.



We were led to journaling FAQ at

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21681523

So, now we are looking to implement the recommended "periodic FULL INCREMENTAL BACKUPS".



We have no actual access to the Windows clients, except for DSMCAD...

Thus I thought of doing a periodic rotation of node clopt on the server-side, however it seems that the NOJOURNAL option is only valid on the dsmc command-line.



How have you guys gone about implementing this ?



Luc
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Harris, Steven
Re: Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?
May 09, 2018 04:59PM
Luc,

There is a flag you can set that stops the database from being invalidated by a stop of the Journal service.

I have usually set this because when journaling is required, an arbitrary full scan is usually not wanted.

Regards

Steve

Steven Harris
TSM Admin/Consultant
Canberra Australia.


-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX]
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2018 1:12 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?

Hi Marc,



Thanks for the feedback.



I forgot to state that the Windows admins have historically put in place a batch file to take backups.

It's been forked into more that 50 versions since.

None of which forward any of its cmdline arguments to the actual "dsmc i" command.



I've since been looking at the "Journal-based backup" section of the BA client install and users guide.

It lists about 7 possible ways to invalidate the journal db.

Most are not applicable to steady state (changed node, fs, server)

However, I see 2 ways that would work in my universe :

1. "A policy changes occurs (new policy set activation)"

2. "The journal service is not running"

3. The journal service is stopped or started for any reason, even if it is restarted because the system is rebooted.

I think I'll focus on the 2nd way.

Looking into using DSMCAD to run "dsmcutil stop /name:"TSM Journal Service"" and "dsmcutil start /name:"TSM Journal Service"" as one-shots.



I'll keep you guys posted.



Still open to other approaches.



Regards,



Luc



-----Message d'origine-----
De : ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] De la part de Marc Lanteigne Envoyé : 9 mai 2018 10:29 À : ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Objet : Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?



Hi Luc,



You should be able to define a client schedule with "option=-nojournal"



So you would have two schedule. The current one, plus one that periodically does -nojournal.



-

Thanks,

Marc...

________________________________________________________

Marc Lanteigne

Spectrum Protect Specialist AVP / SRT

416.478.0233 | marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com<mailto:marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com>

Office Hours: Monday to Friday, 7:00 to 16:00 Eastern



Follow me on: Twitter, developerWorks, LinkedIn





-----Original Message-----

From: Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX] [mailto:Luc.Michaud2@STM.INFO]

Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:17 AM

To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU<mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>

Subject: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?



Greetings everyone,



Our shop is TSM 717000 on AIX, with lots of Win BA clients v7164 with journaling enabled.



In a restore test of a Windows node, we found that a file that was changed in 2017 was never backed up.

We thus kept the previous iteration (circa 2016) as active in the actual node data.



We were led to journaling FAQ at

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21681523

So, now we are looking to implement the recommended "periodic FULL INCREMENTAL BACKUPS".



We have no actual access to the Windows clients, except for DSMCAD...

Thus I thought of doing a periodic rotation of node clopt on the server-side, however it seems that the NOJOURNAL option is only valid on the dsmc command-line.



How have you guys gone about implementing this ?



Luc

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Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX]
Re: Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?
May 10, 2018 05:59AM
Hi Steve,

The PreserveDbOnExit flag is already set. Thus we *NEVER* do run FULL INCREMENTAL BACKUPs. Now we see that we occasionally have newer versions of files that never actually got detected by the journal.

What I want is to - say once every month, actually *FORCE* a FULL INCREMENTAL BACKUP of a given node, on such a setup, without changing the actual COMMAND specified in the client schedule.

Stay tuned, could take a while however...

Regards,

Luc

-----Message d'origine-----
De : ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] De la part de Harris, Steven
Envoyé : 9 mai 2018 19:18
À : ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Objet : Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?

Luc,

There is a flag you can set that stops the database from being invalidated by a stop of the Journal service.

I have usually set this because when journaling is required, an arbitrary full scan is usually not wanted.

Regards

Steve

Steven Harris
TSM Admin/Consultant
Canberra Australia.


-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX]
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2018 1:12 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?

Hi Marc,



Thanks for the feedback.



I forgot to state that the Windows admins have historically put in place a batch file to take backups.

It's been forked into more that 50 versions since.

None of which forward any of its cmdline arguments to the actual "dsmc i" command.



I've since been looking at the "Journal-based backup" section of the BA client install and users guide.

It lists about 7 possible ways to invalidate the journal db.

Most are not applicable to steady state (changed node, fs, server)

However, I see 2 ways that would work in my universe :

1. "A policy changes occurs (new policy set activation)"

2. "The journal service is not running"

3. The journal service is stopped or started for any reason, even if it is restarted because the system is rebooted.

I think I'll focus on the 2nd way.

Looking into using DSMCAD to run "dsmcutil stop /name:"TSM Journal Service"" and "dsmcutil start /name:"TSM Journal Service"" as one-shots.



I'll keep you guys posted.



Still open to other approaches.



Regards,



Luc



-----Message d'origine-----
De : ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] De la part de Marc Lanteigne Envoyé : 9 mai 2018 10:29 À : ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Objet : Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?



Hi Luc,



You should be able to define a client schedule with "option=-nojournal"



So you would have two schedule. The current one, plus one that periodically does -nojournal.



-

Thanks,

Marc...

________________________________________________________

Marc Lanteigne

Spectrum Protect Specialist AVP / SRT

416.478.0233 | marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com<mailto:marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com>

Office Hours: Monday to Friday, 7:00 to 16:00 Eastern



Follow me on: Twitter, developerWorks, LinkedIn





-----Original Message-----

From: Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX] [mailto:Luc.Michaud2@STM.INFO]

Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:17 AM

To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU<mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>

Subject: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?



Greetings everyone,



Our shop is TSM 717000 on AIX, with lots of Win BA clients v7164 with journaling enabled.



In a restore test of a Windows node, we found that a file that was changed in 2017 was never backed up.

We thus kept the previous iteration (circa 2016) as active in the actual node data.



We were led to journaling FAQ at

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21681523

So, now we are looking to implement the recommended "periodic FULL INCREMENTAL BACKUPS".



We have no actual access to the Windows clients, except for DSMCAD...

Thus I thought of doing a periodic rotation of node clopt on the server-side, however it seems that the NOJOURNAL option is only valid on the dsmc command-line.



How have you guys gone about implementing this ?



Luc

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Re: Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?
May 10, 2018 07:59AM
The PreserveDBOnExit setting prevents the journal from being deleted when
the journaled file system the setting is specified for (in the journal
daemon configuration file) is taken offline, such as when
the journal daemon is stopped and restarted.

If the journal is empty when the journal daemon starts of course the
backup will be full incremental (and this full incremental must
successfully complete before the journal can be used again).

The only method of forcing a full incremental without taking the journal
offline is to use the NOJOURNAL client option on the backup command.

Using this option also has the advantage of keeping the journal intact
while the non-journal backup is running.

Unfortunately this option may only be specified as a command line argument
(it isn't valid in the client options file) so the only method of forcing
periodic full (non-journal) incrementals
is to define a separate schedule to run the backup with the NOJOURNAL
option.

Hope this is helpful ....

Pete Tanenhaus
IBM Spectrum Protect Client Development
email: tanenhau@us.ibm.com
tie line: 620.7955, external: 607.429.7955

"Those who refuse to challenge authority are condemned to conform to it"



From: "Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX]"
<Luc.Michaud2@STM.INFO>
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date: 05/10/2018 08:20 AM
Subject: Re: Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?
Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>



Hi Steve,

The PreserveDbOnExit flag is already set. Thus we *NEVER* do run FULL
INCREMENTAL BACKUPs. Now we see that we occasionally have newer versions
of files that never actually got detected by the journal.

What I want is to - say once every month, actually *FORCE* a FULL
INCREMENTAL BACKUP of a given node, on such a setup, without changing the
actual COMMAND specified in the client schedule.

Stay tuned, could take a while however...

Regards,

Luc

-----Message d'origine-----
De : ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] De la part de
Harris, Steven
Envoyé : 9 mai 2018 19:18
À : ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Objet : Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?

Luc,

There is a flag you can set that stops the database from being invalidated
by a stop of the Journal service.

I have usually set this because when journaling is required, an arbitrary
full scan is usually not wanted.

Regards

Steve

Steven Harris
TSM Admin/Consultant
Canberra Australia.


-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX]
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2018 1:12 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?

Hi Marc,



Thanks for the feedback.



I forgot to state that the Windows admins have historically put in place a
batch file to take backups.

It's been forked into more that 50 versions since.

None of which forward any of its cmdline arguments to the actual "dsmc i"
command.



I've since been looking at the "Journal-based backup" section of the BA
client install and users guide.

It lists about 7 possible ways to invalidate the journal db.

Most are not applicable to steady state (changed node, fs, server)

However, I see 2 ways that would work in my universe :

1. "A policy changes occurs (new policy set activation)"

2. "The journal service is not running"

3. The journal service is stopped or started for any reason, even if
it is restarted because the system is rebooted.

I think I'll focus on the 2nd way.

Looking into using DSMCAD to run "dsmcutil stop /name:"TSM Journal
Service"" and "dsmcutil start /name:"TSM Journal Service"" as one-shots.



I'll keep you guys posted.



Still open to other approaches.



Regards,



Luc



-----Message d'origine-----
De : ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] De la part de
Marc Lanteigne Envoyé : 9 mai 2018 10:29 À : ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Objet :
Re: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?



Hi Luc,



You should be able to define a client schedule with "option=-nojournal"



So you would have two schedule. The current one, plus one that
periodically does -nojournal.



-

Thanks,

Marc...

________________________________________________________

Marc Lanteigne

Spectrum Protect Specialist AVP / SRT

416.478.0233 | marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com<mailto:marclanteigne@ca.ibm.com>

Office Hours: Monday to Friday, 7:00 to 16:00 Eastern



Follow me on: Twitter, developerWorks, LinkedIn





-----Original Message-----

From: Michaud, Luc [Analyste principal - environnement AIX] [
mailto:Luc.Michaud2@STM.INFO]

Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:17 AM

To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU<mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>

Subject: [ADSM-L] Can we disable client journaling with Server CLOPT ?



Greetings everyone,



Our shop is TSM 717000 on AIX, with lots of Win BA clients v7164 with
journaling enabled.



In a restore test of a Windows node, we found that a file that was changed
in 2017 was never backed up.

We thus kept the previous iteration (circa 2016) as active in the actual
node data.



We were led to journaling FAQ at

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21681523

So, now we are looking to implement the recommended "periodic FULL
INCREMENTAL BACKUPS".



We have no actual access to the Windows clients, except for DSMCAD...

Thus I thought of doing a periodic rotation of node clopt on the
server-side, however it seems that the NOJOURNAL option is only valid on
the dsmc command-line.



How have you guys gone about implementing this ?



Luc

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but should not be relied upon or construed as a recommendation of any
financial product. The information has been prepared without taking into
account your objectives, financial situation or needs. You should consider
the Product Disclosure Statement relating to the financial product and
consult your financial adviser before making a decision about whether to
acquire, hold or dispose of a financial product.

For further details on the financial product please go to
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