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[EMC-DataProtection-L] About All and specific vo
October 04, 2016 05:02AM
Hello,

I've seen a change between the selection wizard in version 7.x and 8.x
of NetWorker.

In version 8.x you see all the files and directories that correspond to
the "/" volume.

If I check the machine name in the selection wizard, then "All" is add
to the savesets.

If I uncheck some of the volumes and then, by hand, I add the "/" is the
same that having "All" in savesets? (i.e. /bin, /etc, ... will be backed
up?).

https://postimg.org/image/it7m2pmkb/

Why this behaviour with the files/folders in the root directory?

Do you use "All" for savesets? Or you specify manually the volumes?

If we specify "All" then we need to use skip directives in all volumes
that don't need to be backed up or temporary volumes created for
mounting things and forgotten to umount, etc.

How do you deal with savesets definitions?

Thanks!

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[EMC-DataProtection-L] About All and specific vo
October 04, 2016 02:06PM
Hi Manel,

/ and All are not the same thing.

All typically refers to "all attached volumes", with some exclusions (e.g., NFS mounted shares are not included in &#39;All&#39; on the assumption that they could be backed up from their original host, etc.).

On the other hand, / refers to the root volume of a Unix server. Specifying / will result in the root filesystem being backed up, but not volumes mounted on the system. If /bin, /usr, etc., are contained within the root filesystem they will be backed up via &#39;/&#39;, and they&#39;d also be backed up using &#39;All&#39; because the root filesystem is always included in All.

As far as best practices, I always advocate following NetWorker&#39;s behaviour, which is an exclusive backup model - i.e., by default it wants to use the &#39;All&#39; saveset and you exclude things that you don&#39;t want backed up. This reduces the risk of human error (e.g., adding a filesystem and forgetting to add it to the backup selection).

Cheers,
Preston.

On Tuesday, 4 October 2016, Manel Rodero <manel < at > fib.upc.edu ([email]manel < at > fib.upc.edu[/email])> wrote:
[quote]Hello,

I&#39;ve seen a change between the selection wizard in version 7.x and 8.x
of NetWorker.

In version 8.x you see all the files and directories that correspond to
the "/" volume.

If I check the machine name in the selection wizard, then "All" is add
to the savesets.

If I uncheck some of the volumes and then, by hand, I add the "/" is the
same that having "All" in savesets? (i.e. /bin, /etc, ... will be backed
up?).

[url=https://postimg.org/image/it7m2pmkb/]https://postimg.org/image/it7m2pmkb/[/url]

Why this behaviour with the files/folders in the root directory?

Do you use "All" for savesets? Or you specify manually the volumes?

If we specify "All" then we need to use skip directives in all volumes
that don&#39;t need to be backed up or temporary volumes created for
mounting things and forgotten to umount, etc.

How do you deal with savesets definitions?

Thanks!

--

       Manel Rodero
o o o
o o o  inLab FIB
o o o  Facultat d&#39;Informàtica de Barcelona
U P C  Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya - Barcelona Tech

       E-mail : [url=javascript]manel < at > fib.upc.edu[/url]
       Tel.   : +34 93 401 0847
       Web    : [url=http://inlab.fib.upc.edu/]http://inlab.fib.upc.edu/[/url]

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[EMC-DataProtection-L] About All and specific vo
October 07, 2016 03:28AM
Hi Preston,

Yes, I know "All" and "/" are different but I've not explained my
"problem" very well sorry ;-)

In previous versions, the wizard for adding savesets didn't show the
directories in the root directory (i.e. you can't mark/unmark for
example /bin or /usr). In 7.6+ or 8.x for marking all the root saveset
you must check the box for the host and it will include all these
directories in the selection screen. Then when you close the wizard,
"All" is used in the saveset option. Probably my english is so bad to
explain this, oops.

Thanks for your answer. I'll use "All" by now and let the host admins to
exclude things they don't want backed up.

Best regards,

El 04/10/2016 a las 23:00, Preston de Guise escribió:
[quote]Hi Manel,

/ and All are not the same thing.

All typically refers to "all attached volumes", with some exclusions
(e.g., NFS mounted shares are not included in 'All' on the assumption
that they could be backed up from their original host, etc.).

On the other hand, / refers to the root volume of a Unix server.
Specifying / will result in the root filesystem being backed up, but not
volumes mounted on the system. If /bin, /usr, etc., are contained within
the root filesystem they will be backed up via '/', and they'd also be
backed up using 'All' because the root filesystem is always included in All.

As far as best practices, I always advocate following NetWorker's
behaviour, which is an exclusive backup model - i.e., by default it
wants to use the 'All' saveset and you exclude things that you don't
want backed up. This reduces the risk of human error (e.g., adding a
filesystem and forgetting to add it to the backup selection).

Cheers,
Preston.

On Tuesday, 4 October 2016, Manel Rodero <manel < at > fib.upc.edu
<mailto:manel < at > fib.upc.edu>> wrote:

Hello,

I've seen a change between the selection wizard in version 7.x and 8.x
of NetWorker.

In version 8.x you see all the files and directories that correspond to
the "/" volume.

If I check the machine name in the selection wizard, then "All" is add
to the savesets.

If I uncheck some of the volumes and then, by hand, I add the "/" is the
same that having "All" in savesets? (i.e. /bin, /etc, ... will be backed
up?).

https://postimg.org/image/it7m2pmkb/
https://postimg.org/image/it7m2pmkb/

Why this behaviour with the files/folders in the root directory?

Do you use "All" for savesets? Or you specify manually the volumes?

If we specify "All" then we need to use skip directives in all volumes
that don't need to be backed up or temporary volumes created for
mounting things and forgotten to umount, etc.

How do you deal with savesets definitions?

Thanks!

--

Manel Rodero
o o o
o o o inLab FIB
o o o Facultat d'Informàtica de Barcelona
U P C Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya - Barcelona Tech

E-mail : manel < at > fib.upc.edu <javascript:;>
Tel. : +34 93 401 0847
Web : http://inlab.fib.upc.edu/

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contingut. Si ha rebut aquest correu electrònic per error, li preguem
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E-mail : manel < at > fib.upc.edu
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