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Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0

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Michael Leone
Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
November 16, 2017 07:59AM
Question for those who use VMware and Networker. For years, we ran our
vCenter server on Windows, and it used a MS SQL database. Now, we've
upgraded to vSphere 6.0 (soon to be 6.5), and so are using the vCenter
appliance (VCSA). This uses an embedded Postgres DB.

But how are you backing it up? Everything I see looks to be a manual
backup (using a Python script from VMware, which you then have to SCP the
results elsewhere). Now, I get that I can (probably) create a cron job to
run the backup on the device; dunno if I can automate the sending of the
resulting files to some other server, which would be backed up by my NW
server.

My environment is NW 8.2.4.3, with no VMware specific backups (i.e., I
backup all my VMs the old fashioned way, by installing the NW client on
the VM).

I've seen references to doing a VDP backup, but I thought that was
deprecated ...

Thoughts? How can I back this up using my current NW environment, on a
schedule, like every thing else?


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Michael Leone
Network Administrator, ISM
Philadelphia Housing Authority
1800 South 32nd Street
Phila, PA 19145
Tel: 215-684-4180
Cell: 215-252-0143
<mailto:michael.leone@pha.phila.gov>




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Michael Leone
Re: Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
November 20, 2017 06:59AM
Nobody, eh? :-(

On the vCenter communities, they recommend just doing a VADP backup of the
whole VM appliance, and forget about backing up just the database, using
the Python script. So apparently I need to set up VADP, for just this one
appliance (since all my other VMs use the traditional NW client).

So now I'm confused about VADP ... in reading the documentation, it
appears that the backup actually takes place through a proxy. But
apparently this proxy requires a FC HBA (since my SAN connects via FC). So
does that mean that I need to do some RDM configuration? The documentation
is not clear on this point.

Can anyone clear up my confusion about using VADP in general?

--
Michael Leone
Network Administrator, ISM
Philadelphia Housing Authority
1800 South 32nd Street
Phila, PA 19145
Tel: 215-684-4180
Cell: 215-252-0143
<mailto:michael.leone@pha.phila.gov>




EMC Data Protection Q & A <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> wrote
on 11/16/2017 10:27:29 AM:

> From: Michael Leone <Michael.Leone@PHA.PHILA.GOV>
> To: EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
> Date: 11/16/2017 10:27 AM
> Subject: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
> Sent by: EMC Data Protection Q & A
<EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU>
>
> Question for those who use VMware and Networker. For years, we ran
> our vCenter server on Windows, and it used a MS SQL database. Now,
> we've upgraded to vSphere 6.0 (soon to be 6.5), and so are using the
> vCenter appliance (VCSA). This uses an embedded Postgres DB.
>
> But how are you backing it up? Everything I see looks to be a manual
> backup (using a Python script from VMware, which you then have to
> SCP the results elsewhere). Now, I get that I can (probably) create
> a cron job to run the backup on the device; dunno if I can automate
> the sending of the resulting files to some other server, which would
> be backed up by my NW server.
>
> My environment is NW 8.2.4.3, with no VMware specific backups (i.e.,
> I backup all my VMs the old fashioned way, by installing the NW
> client on the VM).
>
> I've seen references to doing a VDP backup, but I thought that was
> deprecated ...
>
> Thoughts? How can I back this up using my current NW environment, on
> a schedule, like every thing else?
>
>
> --
> Michael Leone
> Network Administrator, ISM
> Philadelphia Housing Authority
> 1800 South 32nd Street
> Phila, PA 19145
> Tel: 215-684-4180
> Cell: 215-252-0143
> <mailto:michael.leone@pha.phila.gov>
>

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Tossavainen, Atro (Consultant)
Re: Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
November 20, 2017 06:59AM
Have you taken a look at this?


https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2091961


VADP is NetWorker 7 stuff... these days it's the VBA, if you're on 8, or 9.


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From: EMC Data Protection Q & A <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> on behalf of Michael Leone <Michael.Leone@PHA.PHILA.GOV>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:02:38 PM
To: EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: Re: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0

Nobody, eh? :-(

On the vCenter communities, they recommend just doing a VADP backup of the whole VM appliance, and forget about backing up just the database, using the Python script. So apparently I need to set up VADP, for just this one appliance (since all my other VMs use the traditional NW client).

So now I'm confused about VADP ... in reading the documentation, it appears that the backup actually takes place through a proxy. But apparently this proxy requires a FC HBA (since my SAN connects via FC). So does that mean that I need to do some RDM configuration? The documentation is not clear on this point.

Can anyone clear up my confusion about using VADP in general?

--
Michael Leone
Network Administrator, ISM
Philadelphia Housing Authority
1800 South 32nd Street
Phila, PA 19145
Tel: 215-684-4180
Cell: 215-252-0143
<mailto:michael.leone@pha.phila.gov>




EMC Data Protection Q & A <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> wrote on 11/16/2017 10:27:29 AM:

> From: Michael Leone <Michael.Leone@PHA.PHILA.GOV>
> To: EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
> Date: 11/16/2017 10:27 AM
> Subject: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
> Sent by: EMC Data Protection Q & A <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU>
>
> Question for those who use VMware and Networker. For years, we ran
> our vCenter server on Windows, and it used a MS SQL database. Now,
> we've upgraded to vSphere 6.0 (soon to be 6.5), and so are using the
> vCenter appliance (VCSA). This uses an embedded Postgres DB.
>
> But how are you backing it up? Everything I see looks to be a manual
> backup (using a Python script from VMware, which you then have to
> SCP the results elsewhere). Now, I get that I can (probably) create
> a cron job to run the backup on the device; dunno if I can automate
> the sending of the resulting files to some other server, which would
> be backed up by my NW server.
>
> My environment is NW 8.2.4.3, with no VMware specific backups (i.e.,
> I backup all my VMs the old fashioned way, by installing the NW
> client on the VM).
>
> I've seen references to doing a VDP backup, but I thought that was
> deprecated ...
>
> Thoughts? How can I back this up using my current NW environment, on
> a schedule, like every thing else?
>
>
> --
> Michael Leone
> Network Administrator, ISM
> Philadelphia Housing Authority
> 1800 South 32nd Street
> Phila, PA 19145
> Tel: 215-684-4180
> Cell: 215-252-0143
> <mailto:michael.leone@pha.phila.gov>
>

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Michael Leone
Re: Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
November 20, 2017 08:59AM
>
> Have you taken a look at this?
>
> https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2091961
>

Yes, it's how to do a manual backup using a python script, like I noted
already. It's not a scheduled Networker backup.

> VADP is NetWorker 7 stuff... these days it's the VBA, if you're on 8, or
9.

Yes, as I said it's deprecated, but VADP is the supposedly only supported
way to back this appliance up.


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Dag Nygren
Re: Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
November 20, 2017 09:59AM
On Monday 20 November 2017 11:43:26 you wrote:
> >
> > Have you taken a look at this?
> >
> > https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2091961
> >
>
> Yes, it's how to do a manual backup using a python script, like I noted
> already. It's not a scheduled Networker backup.
>
> > VADP is NetWorker 7 stuff... these days it's the VBA, if you're on 8, or
> 9.
>
> Yes, as I said it's deprecated, but VADP is the supposedly only supported
> way to back this appliance up.

AFAIK

VADP is just a name of an API, now changed to VDDK - Technically VBA and
the newer NVP are still using features it as it is more an evolution than
completely new.

The path is: VCB -> VADP -> VDDK.

Best
Dag


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Tossavainen, Atro (Consultant)
Re: Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
November 21, 2017 02:59AM
You can't do scheduled NetWorker backups of PostgreSQL anyway. The NMDA plugin supports commercial databases only. So, whether it's in an embedded use case such as here, you need to do manual backups of the database to flat files and do NetWorker backups of that somehow. Technically the vCenter


A fairly recent conversation on the forums, https://community.emc.com/thread/238846?start=0&tstart=0 opines that there's no point?


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Atro Tossavainen
System Administrator (Consultant)
Oy GTECH Finland Ab, a fully owned subsidiary of IGT plc
tel. +358-44-5000-600 (cell)
________________________________
From: EMC Data Protection Q & A <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> on behalf of Michael Leone <Michael.Leone@PHA.PHILA.GOV>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 6:43:26 PM
To: EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: Re: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0

>
> Have you taken a look at this?
>
> https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2091961
Back up and restore vCenter Server Appliance/vCenter ...https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2091961
kb.vmware.com
Note: This article is only supported for backup and restore of the vPostgres database to the same vCenter Server or vCenter Server Appliance. Use of image-based ...


>

Yes, it's how to do a manual backup using a python script, like I noted already. It's not a scheduled Networker backup.

> VADP is NetWorker 7 stuff... these days it's the VBA, if you're on 8, or 9.

Yes, as I said it's deprecated, but VADP is the supposedly only supported way to back this appliance up.

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Tossavainen, Atro (Consultant)
Re: Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0
November 21, 2017 03:59AM
Technically the vCenter is a SuSE 11 SP3... so it ought to be possible to install NetWorker client, but as somebody said there's a truckload of unmet dependencies caused by the fact it's built against RHEL *and* requires 32-bit support libraries.


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tel. +358-44-5000-600 (cell)
________________________________
From: Tossavainen, Atro (Consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 12:02:36 PM
To: EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU; Michael Leone
Subject: Re: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0


You can't do scheduled NetWorker backups of PostgreSQL anyway. The NMDA plugin supports commercial databases only. So, whether it's in an embedded use case such as here, you need to do manual backups of the database to flat files and do NetWorker backups of that somehow. Technically the vCenter


A fairly recent conversation on the forums, https://community.emc.com/thread/238846?start=0&tstart=0 opines that there's no point?


--
Atro Tossavainen
System Administrator (Consultant)
Oy GTECH Finland Ab, a fully owned subsidiary of IGT plc
tel. +358-44-5000-600 (cell)
________________________________
From: EMC Data Protection Q & A <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> on behalf of Michael Leone <Michael.Leone@PHA.PHILA.GOV>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 6:43:26 PM
To: EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: Re: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Advice: backing up VMware VCSA 6.0

>
> Have you taken a look at this?
>
> https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2091961
Back up and restore vCenter Server Appliance/vCenter ...https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2091961
kb.vmware.com
Note: This article is only supported for backup and restore of the vPostgres database to the same vCenter Server or vCenter Server Appliance. Use of image-based ...


>

Yes, it's how to do a manual backup using a python script, like I noted already. It's not a scheduled Networker backup.

> VADP is NetWorker 7 stuff... these days it's the VBA, if you're on 8, or 9.

Yes, as I said it's deprecated, but VADP is the supposedly only supported way to back this appliance up.

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