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marki
Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing
November 30, 2018 02:59PM
Hi there,

Do I understand correctly that (using old licensing / not
capacity-based) you'll have to acquire an AFTD license in order to be
able to perform bootstrap backups?

That is ridiculous given that
1) They have clearly documented that bootstraps are a very important
thing to do.
2) You can clone/stage it to tape anyway, so why not directly?
3) They provide a Networker server virtual appliance, do you get an AFTD
license for free in that case?

Cheers

Marki


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Re: Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing
November 30, 2018 05:57PM
This is wrong. A bootstrap can be sent to any supported media attached to any supported local device.

Early customers did of course use tapes - disk support became available later.
Wes Ono
Re: Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing
November 30, 2018 06:59PM
Marki,

An AFTD license should be required only if you are backing up to an AFTD, and AFTD should not be required for a bootstrap backup.

Bootstrap backups can go to the same device(s) as the other backup savesets, provided the pool is configured correctly. I have seen instances where a pool is defined in such a way that it can't accept the bootstrap backup. For example, I used to see this when a pool was configured to accept fulls and incrementals, and the bootstrap didn't match because it was a level 9 backup.

So I suggest you check your pool definitions for your backups to verify that the pool would accept the bootstrap backup.

Hope this helps,

Wes Ono
former NetWorker guy, formerly of EMC
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Subject: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing

Hi there,

Do I understand correctly that (using old licensing / not
capacity-based) you'll have to acquire an AFTD license in order to be
able to perform bootstrap backups?

That is ridiculous given that
1) They have clearly documented that bootstraps are a very important
thing to do.
2) You can clone/stage it to tape anyway, so why not directly?
3) They provide a Networker server virtual appliance, do you get an AFTD
license for free in that case?

Cheers

Marki


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marki
Re: Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing
November 30, 2018 07:59PM
Hi,
The context of my request was hosting the Networker server as a VM
(virtual machine).

While the server comprises a storage node license, you will not be able
to use it to backup to a tape drive, since you cannot attach a tape
drive to a VM.

However, it since be the Networker Server VM contains the media
database, it also needs to perform the bootstraps. Since you can't use a
tape drive, the only option left is to use an AFTD device, isn't that
correct?

Thanks,
Marki

On 2018-11-30 19:03, Wes Ono wrote:
> Marki,
>
> An AFTD license should be required only if you are backing up to an
> AFTD, and AFTD should not be required for a bootstrap backup.
>
> Bootstrap backups can go to the same device(s) as the other backup
> savesets, provided the pool is configured correctly. I have seen
> instances where a pool is defined in such a way that it can't accept
> the bootstrap backup. For example, I used to see this when a pool was
> configured to accept fulls and incrementals, and the bootstrap didn't
> match because it was a level 9 backup.
>
> So I suggest you check your pool definitions for your backups to
> verify that the pool would accept the bootstrap backup.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Wes Ono
> former NetWorker guy, formerly of EMC
> -------------------------
>
> FROM: EMC Data Protection Q & A
> <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> on behalf of marki
> <jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU>
> SENT: Friday, November 30, 2018 6:43 AM
> TO: EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
> SUBJECT: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) /
> licensing
>
> Hi there,
>
> Do I understand correctly that (using old licensing / not
> capacity-based) you'll have to acquire an AFTD license in order to be
> able to perform bootstrap backups?
>
> That is ridiculous given that
> 1) They have clearly documented that bootstraps are a very important
> thing to do.
> 2) You can clone/stage it to tape anyway, so why not directly?
> 3) They provide a Networker server virtual appliance, do you get an
> AFTD
> license for free in that case?
>
> Cheers
>
> Marki
>
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Preston de Guise
Re: Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing
November 30, 2018 08:59PM
While you can do tape pass through to virtual machines, it's not recommended.. It's a long standing requirement that bootstrap backups are performed on the backup server itself; ergo, if you virtualise the backup server you will need to ensure you can instantiate a device that you can backup to on the backup server itself. That might be a file type device, an advanced file type device, or a Data Domain device. I can't recall whether the old file type device requires a disk backup license (since it's quite basic compared to the advanced file type device), but if you may wish to check - though note the limitations of the old file-type device before you go down that path.

For most environments the bare minimum disk backup license (1TB) will be more than sufficient to cover AFTD requirements for bootstrap backups however.

Sent from a mobile device.

> On 1 Dec 2018, at 06:38, marki <jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> The context of my request was hosting the Networker server as a VM (virtual machine).
>
> While the server comprises a storage node license, you will not be able to use it to backup to a tape drive, since you cannot attach a tape drive to a VM.
>
> However, it since be the Networker Server VM contains the media database, it also needs to perform the bootstraps. Since you can't use a tape drive, the only option left is to use an AFTD device, isn't that correct?
>
> Thanks,
> Marki
>
>> On 2018-11-30 19:03, Wes Ono wrote:
>> Marki,
>> An AFTD license should be required only if you are backing up to an
>> AFTD, and AFTD should not be required for a bootstrap backup.
>> Bootstrap backups can go to the same device(s) as the other backup
>> savesets, provided the pool is configured correctly. I have seen
>> instances where a pool is defined in such a way that it can't accept
>> the bootstrap backup. For example, I used to see this when a pool was
>> configured to accept fulls and incrementals, and the bootstrap didn't
>> match because it was a level 9 backup.
>> So I suggest you check your pool definitions for your backups to
>> verify that the pool would accept the bootstrap backup.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Wes Ono
>> former NetWorker guy, formerly of EMC
>> -------------------------
>> FROM: EMC Data Protection Q & A
>> <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> on behalf of marki
>> <jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU>
>> SENT: Friday, November 30, 2018 6:43 AM
>> TO: EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
>> SUBJECT: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) /
>> licensing
>> Hi there,
>> Do I understand correctly that (using old licensing / not
>> capacity-based) you'll have to acquire an AFTD license in order to be
>> able to perform bootstrap backups?
>> That is ridiculous given that
>> 1) They have clearly documented that bootstraps are a very important
>> thing to do.
>> 2) You can clone/stage it to tape anyway, so why not directly?
>> 3) They provide a Networker server virtual appliance, do you get an
>> AFTD
>> license for free in that case?
>> Cheers
>> Marki
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>> Horwitz
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>
>
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marki
Re: Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing
December 01, 2018 12:59PM
It's not clear how to create a FTD (not AFTD) device in recent versions
of Networker.

The docs of v8 don't say much about it. I haven't even looked at v9 or 18.

Is it even still supported?

On 11/30/2018 9:57 PM, Preston de Guise wrote:
> While you can do tape pass through to virtual machines, it's not recommended. It's a long standing requirement that bootstrap backups are performed on the backup server itself; ergo, if you virtualise the backup server you will need to ensure you can instantiate a device that you can backup to on the backup server itself. That might be a file type device, an advanced file type device, or a Data Domain device. I can't recall whether the old file type device requires a disk backup license (since it's quite basic compared to the advanced file type device), but if you may wish to check - though note the limitations of the old file-type device before you go down that path.
>
> For most environments the bare minimum disk backup license (1TB) will be more than sufficient to cover AFTD requirements for bootstrap backups however.
>
> Sent from a mobile device.
>
>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 06:38, marki<jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> The context of my request was hosting the Networker server as a VM (virtual machine).
>>
>> While the server comprises a storage node license, you will not be able to use it to backup to a tape drive, since you cannot attach a tape drive to a VM.
>>
>> However, it since be the Networker Server VM contains the media database, it also needs to perform the bootstraps. Since you can't use a tape drive, the only option left is to use an AFTD device, isn't that correct?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marki
>>
>>> On 2018-11-30 19:03, Wes Ono wrote:
>>> Marki,
>>> An AFTD license should be required only if you are backing up to an
>>> AFTD, and AFTD should not be required for a bootstrap backup.
>>> Bootstrap backups can go to the same device(s) as the other backup
>>> savesets, provided the pool is configured correctly. I have seen
>>> instances where a pool is defined in such a way that it can't accept
>>> the bootstrap backup. For example, I used to see this when a pool was
>>> configured to accept fulls and incrementals, and the bootstrap didn't
>>> match because it was a level 9 backup.
>>> So I suggest you check your pool definitions for your backups to
>>> verify that the pool would accept the bootstrap backup.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Wes Ono
>>> former NetWorker guy, formerly of EMC
>>> -------------------------
>>> FROM: EMC Data Protection Q & A
>>> <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> on behalf of marki
>>> <jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU>
>>> SENT: Friday, November 30, 2018 6:43 AM
>>> TO:EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
>>> SUBJECT: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) /
>>> licensing
>>> Hi there,
>>> Do I understand correctly that (using old licensing / not
>>> capacity-based) you'll have to acquire an AFTD license in order to be
>>> able to perform bootstrap backups?
>>> That is ridiculous given that
>>> 1) They have clearly documented that bootstraps are a very important
>>> thing to do.
>>> 2) You can clone/stage it to tape anyway, so why not directly?
>>> 3) They provide a Networker server virtual appliance, do you get an
>>> AFTD
>>> license for free in that case?
>>> Cheers
>>> Marki
>>> --
>>> This list is hosted as a public service at Temple University by Stan
>>> Horwitz
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>>> settings, please do so via
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Preston de Guise
Re: Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing
December 02, 2018 08:59AM
You can still create a file type device; it’s no longer available from the New Device Wizard, but can be created using nsradmin, or the New Device Properties option.

Cheers,
Preston.


> On 1 Dec 2018, at 11:49 pm, marki <jm+emcdpl@roth.lu> wrote:
>
> It's not clear how to create a FTD (not AFTD) device in recent versions of Networker.
>
> The docs of v8 don't say much about it. I haven't even looked at v9 or 18.
>
> Is it even still supported?
>
> On 11/30/2018 9:57 PM, Preston de Guise wrote:
>> While you can do tape pass through to virtual machines, it's not recommended. It's a long standing requirement that bootstrap backups are performed on the backup server itself; ergo, if you virtualise the backup server you will need to ensure you can instantiate a device that you can backup to on the backup server itself. That might be a file type device, an advanced file type device, or a Data Domain device. I can't recall whether the old file type device requires a disk backup license (since it's quite basic compared to the advanced file type device), but if you may wish to check - though note the limitations of the old file-type device before you go down that path.
>>
>> For most environments the bare minimum disk backup license (1TB) will be more than sufficient to cover AFTD requirements for bootstrap backups however.
>>
>> Sent from a mobile device.
>>
>>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 06:38, marki<jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> The context of my request was hosting the Networker server as a VM (virtual machine).
>>>
>>> While the server comprises a storage node license, you will not be able to use it to backup to a tape drive, since you cannot attach a tape drive to a VM.
>>>
>>> However, it since be the Networker Server VM contains the media database, it also needs to perform the bootstraps. Since you can't use a tape drive, the only option left is to use an AFTD device, isn't that correct?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marki
>>>
>>>> On 2018-11-30 19:03, Wes Ono wrote:
>>>> Marki,
>>>> An AFTD license should be required only if you are backing up to an
>>>> AFTD, and AFTD should not be required for a bootstrap backup.
>>>> Bootstrap backups can go to the same device(s) as the other backup
>>>> savesets, provided the pool is configured correctly. I have seen
>>>> instances where a pool is defined in such a way that it can't accept
>>>> the bootstrap backup. For example, I used to see this when a pool was
>>>> configured to accept fulls and incrementals, and the bootstrap didn't
>>>> match because it was a level 9 backup.
>>>> So I suggest you check your pool definitions for your backups to
>>>> verify that the pool would accept the bootstrap backup.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Wes Ono
>>>> former NetWorker guy, formerly of EMC
>>>> -------------------------
>>>> FROM: EMC Data Protection Q & A
>>>> <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> on behalf of marki
>>>> <jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU>
>>>> SENT: Friday, November 30, 2018 6:43 AM
>>>> TO:EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
>>>> SUBJECT: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) /
>>>> licensing
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> Do I understand correctly that (using old licensing / not
>>>> capacity-based) you'll have to acquire an AFTD license in order to be
>>>> able to perform bootstrap backups?
>>>> That is ridiculous given that
>>>> 1) They have clearly documented that bootstraps are a very important
>>>> thing to do.
>>>> 2) You can clone/stage it to tape anyway, so why not directly?
>>>> 3) They provide a Networker server virtual appliance, do you get an
>>>> AFTD
>>>> license for free in that case?
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Marki
>>>> --
>>>> This list is hosted as a public service at Temple University by Stan
>>>> Horwitz
>>>> If you wish to sign off this list or adjust your subscription
>>>> settings, please do so via
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marki
Re: Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) / licensing
December 02, 2018 01:59PM
"Server is not licensed for DiskBackup support"

Too bad. I wonder what the philosophy here is: Since they provide a
Networker Server as a VM, how do they expect people to perform most
important bootstrap backups on it? By telling them "hey, the VM is new
and bright and shiny and you should use it" but "oh and BTW you need to
buy a DiskBackup license" to be able to correctly use it? Makes no sense
to me.

Anyone been there?

On 12/2/2018 9:54 AM, Preston de Guise wrote:
> You can still create a file type device; it’s no longer available from
> the New Device Wizard, but can be created using nsradmin, or the New
> Device Properties option.
>
> Cheers,
> Preston.
>
>
>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 11:49 pm, marki <jm+emcdpl@roth.lu> wrote:
>>
>> It's not clear how to create a FTD (not AFTD) device in recent
>> versions of Networker.
>>
>> The docs of v8 don't say much about it. I haven't even looked at v9
>> or 18.
>>
>> Is it even still supported?
>>
>> On 11/30/2018 9:57 PM, Preston de Guise wrote:
>>> While you can do tape pass through to virtual machines, it's not
>>> recommended. It's a long standing requirement that bootstrap backups
>>> are performed on the backup server itself; ergo, if you virtualise
>>> the backup server you will need to ensure you can instantiate a
>>> device that you can backup to on the backup server itself. That
>>> might be a file type device, an advanced file type device, or a Data
>>> Domain device. I can't recall whether the old file type device
>>> requires a disk backup license (since it's quite basic compared to
>>> the advanced file type device), but if you may wish to check -
>>> though note the limitations of the old file-type device before you
>>> go down that path.
>>>
>>> For most environments the bare minimum disk backup license (1TB)
>>> will be more than sufficient to cover AFTD requirements for
>>> bootstrap backups however.
>>>
>>> Sent from a mobile device.
>>>
>>>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 06:38, marki<jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> The context of my request was hosting the Networker server as a VM
>>>> (virtual machine).
>>>>
>>>> While the server comprises a storage node license, you will not be
>>>> able to use it to backup to a tape drive, since you cannot attach a
>>>> tape drive to a VM.
>>>>
>>>> However, it since be the Networker Server VM contains the media
>>>> database, it also needs to perform the bootstraps. Since you can't
>>>> use a tape drive, the only option left is to use an AFTD device,
>>>> isn't that correct?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marki
>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-11-30 19:03, Wes Ono wrote:
>>>>> Marki,
>>>>> An AFTD license should be required only if you are backing up to an
>>>>> AFTD, and AFTD should not be required for a bootstrap backup.
>>>>> Bootstrap backups can go to the same device(s) as the other backup
>>>>> savesets, provided the pool is configured correctly. I have seen
>>>>> instances where a pool is defined in such a way that it can't accept
>>>>> the bootstrap backup. For example, I used to see this when a pool was
>>>>> configured to accept fulls and incrementals, and the bootstrap didn't
>>>>> match because it was a level 9 backup.
>>>>> So I suggest you check your pool definitions for your backups to
>>>>> verify that the pool would accept the bootstrap backup.
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>> Wes Ono
>>>>> former NetWorker guy, formerly of EMC
>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>> FROM: EMC Data Protection Q & A
>>>>> <EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU> on behalf of marki
>>>>> <jm+emcdpl@ROTH.LU>
>>>>> SENT: Friday, November 30, 2018 6:43 AM
>>>>> TO:EMC-DATAPROTECTION-L@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
>>>>> SUBJECT: [EMC-DataProtection-L] Bootstrap on Networker server (VM) /
>>>>> licensing
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>> Do I understand correctly that (using old licensing / not
>>>>> capacity-based) you'll have to acquire an AFTD license in order to be
>>>>> able to perform bootstrap backups?
>>>>> That is ridiculous given that
>>>>> 1) They have clearly documented that bootstraps are a very important
>>>>> thing to do.
>>>>> 2) You can clone/stage it to tape anyway, so why not directly?
>>>>> 3) They provide a Networker server virtual appliance, do you get an
>>>>> AFTD
>>>>> license for free in that case?
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Marki
>>>>> --
>>>>> This list is hosted as a public service at Temple University by Stan
>>>>> Horwitz
>>>>> If you wish to sign off this list or adjust your subscription
>>>>> settings, please do so via
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>>>>> send email toowner-emc-dataprotection-l@listserv.temple.edu
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