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Hi !
I'm going to use DataProtector in the next few weeks. What do you think about it ? How does it compare to NetBackup or NetWorker for example ?
Cheers,
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Post DP vs. NBU, NW 
There is tons of info on the HP website, especially if you have ITRC access. http://www.hp.com/go/dataprotector has a good general overview.

I have used all three platforms in the past, NBU 4.x -6.0, NW 5.x - 7.2, currently using DP 5.1 & 5.5 and looking to upgrade to 6.0 ASAP. Data Protector (f/k/a "OmniBack"), is definitely less well-known than the "big three" backup platforms (TSM, NBU, NW), and is primarily used in HP-UX centric shops, partly because HP likes to throw in cheap backup licenses to help win big hardware deals. It is apparently developed in-house by HP. There are also lots of ties into other HP software, such as OpenView, Storage Essentials SRM, etc. so if you use any of those it might be a good fit. OK, so here goes the brain-dump....

To me, it is most similar to NetBackup in the interface, and its overall backup paradigm. It is strong on HP, Sun, and Windows, less so on Linux (IMHO, as their installation routine has a hard time dealing with xinetd.conf, lack of rsh/remsh, and non-rpm based platforms, at least through v. 5.5), and has no AIX support (for a server that is, though they support a ton of client platforms - see below). Typically you would set up your "cell manager" (master server) on an HP-UX or Windows platform, and then push out agents to the clients and/or install locally from CDROM. We tend to use HPUX to backup HPUX, Solaris & Linux (and NAS NDMP), and Windows to backup Windows. This works well except for Linux as mentioned, and you can't push install over SSH easily. To get around this I have usually NFS exported the entire install CD contents and then mounted & installed locally on Linux, then manually tweak xinetd.conf and kill -HUP the inetd process. The server-client communication all happens over port 5555/TCP so at least it is fairly firewall-friendly. In fact, you can telnet 5555 to the server or client, to see if DP is properly installed & responding, though you won't get any feedback past the connect stage, and will need to CTRL-] to break out of it. So that's kind of nice compared to Networker or NetBackup where there are usually tons of holes to poke in the firewall. Of course this means your backup traffic should be encrypted somehow, or otherwise kept off the internet or other hostile networks, since it is sent in the clear; you can compress and/or encrypt the tapes in software (hardware compression is typically recommended, and only 6.0 includes AES 256 encryption, the 5.x versions only came with XOR out of the box (!!! - why not just ROT-13! ;-P)).

The management GUI is fairly decent, but now requires Windows (it used to be X Windows based) to run. However it still looks & works pretty much the same, unlike NetWorker where the X based GUIs (nwadmin etc.) and the Windows ones look completely different. It has lots of wizards and good help files (HTML context help, plus comprehensive PDF manuals, if you install them). However you can do pretty much everything from the command line, and some things are still exclusively there (along with decent "man" pages). Most of the command line executables still start with "omni" (holdovers from the old OmniBack days), such as omnib, omnir, omnimm, omnistat, omnidbutil, etc., and are available even in Windows. You will also likely need to get familiar with the "uma" command, which is the command line interface to tape libraries, as it will let you check the robot's idea of its inventory vs. what the GUI or omnimm command tell you, unload tapes manually, etc.

The services (especially on Windows) occasionally die and must be restarted with either 'omnisv stop; omnisv start' (and liberal use of "kill -9" or Task Manager, for any remaining hung processes), or the Windows Services control panel. The internal database also tends to grow very fast (especially if you back up lots of small files), and must be backed up regularly and maintained daily (this usually happens automatically though). Unfortunately this is stored in a proprietary "Velocis" database engine (wish it were Oracle, Sybase or even SQL Server), but you can dump to ASCII, edit and reload the databases (which is occasionally the only way to fix some corruptions, such as bad/missing media labels).

Databases and other applications (Oracle, SQL Server, SAP, Exchange, etc.) are supported via additional client agents (and cost extra). Oracle RMAN is supported pretty well and in fact our DBAs typically setup and monitor the backups. The SAP/Oracle integration is not the best though IMHO, as we have issues getting a full backup restored OK, without manually hunting down various archive logs scattered across multiple backup tape sets (though that may just be our lack of knowledge on how to do it right in SAP). The Exchange integration in 5.5 doesn't do single mailbox restore by default, and if you do use single mailbox backup to allow it, it takes forever and uses tons more room (I think this is more M$'s fault though for the way Exchange is architected). They recently added VMWare VCB for ESX backups, and SharePoint agents, but I haven't had the chance to play with those yet.

NDMP backups for NAS (e.g. NetApp, Celerra) are licensed per TB which IMHO stinks, but as long as you have at least 1 TB purchased, it still seems to work except for warnings that you are over your licensed amount. The tape device and jukebox licensing is also kind of messy, you have various sizes or "unlimited" to choose from. Hopefully you are working through a good VAR who can walk you through all the licensing foo.

For v. 6.0 here is the latest support matrix:

supported operating systems
Data Protector component
Supported operating systems

Cell Manager
• Windows XP PRO (32-bit)
• Windows 2000
• Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• Windows 2003 (64-bit) (x64)
• HP-UX (PA-RISC) - 11.02, 11.112, 3, 11.232, 3
• HP-UX (Itanium) -- 11.232, 3
• Solaris 8, 9, 10
• SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 (64-bit) (x64)

Installation Server
• Windows XP PRO (32-bit)
• Windows 2000
• Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• Windows 2003 (64-bit) (x64)
• HP-UX (PA-RISC) - 11.02, 11.112, 3, 11.232, 3
• HP-UX (Itanium) -- 11.232, 3
• Solaris 8 , 9, 10
• SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 (64-bit) (x64)

Graphical User Interface
• Windows XP HE1
• Windows XP PRO (32-bit)
• Windows XP 64-bit (Itanium and x64)
• Windows 2000
• Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
• HP-UX (PA-RISC) - 11.02, 11.112, 3, 11.232, 3
• Solaris 8

Manager-of-Managers (MoM)
• Windows 2000
• Windows XP PRO (32-bit)
• Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• Windows 2003 (64-bit) (x64)
• HP-UX (PA-RISC) - 11.02, 11.112, 3, 11.232, 3
• Solaris 8, 9, 10
• HP-UX (Itanium) -- 11.232, 3, 6
• SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 (64-bit) (x64) 6

Backup Device Server (media agent), including robotic control
• Windows 2000
• Windows XP PRO (32-bit)
• Windows XP (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
• Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
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• Novell NetWare 6.51
• HP-UX (PA-RISC) -- 11.02, 11.112, 3,11.232, 3
• HP-UX (Itanium) -- 11.232, 3
• Tru64 5.xx
• OpenVMS 7.3-11, 7.3-21, 8.21, 8.2-11 (Alpha)
• OpenVMS 8.21, 8.2-11 (Itanium)
• Sun Solaris4 7, 8, 9, 10
• MPE/iX 6.51, 7.01, 7.51
• Linux (32-bit): Redhat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 5 2.1, 3.0, 4.0
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 8, 9
United Linux 1.0
Debian Linux 3.0
• Linux (64-bit): Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 5 2.1 (Itanium)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 5 3.0 (Itanium)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 5 4.0 (Itanium and x64)
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 8 (Itanium)
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 9 (Itanium and x64)
United Linux 1.0 (Itanium)

Backup Device Server (media agent), without robotic control
The above list plus the following:
• IBM AIX 5L ver. 5.1, 5.2, 5.3
• SNI Sinix 5.4.5
• SCO OpenServer 5.0.6, 5.0.7

Backup Agents (disk agents)
• Windows 2000
• Windows XP HE1
• Windows XP PRO (32 bit)
• Windows XP (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
• Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
• Novell NetWare 6.51
• HP-UX (PA-RISC) -- 11.02, 11.112, 3,11.232, 3
• HP-UX (Itanium) -- 11.232, 3
• HP MPE/iX 6.51, 7.01, 7.51
• Sun Solaris4 7, 8, 9, 10
• IBM AIX 5L ver. 5.1, 5.2, 5.3
• SGI IRIX 6.5
• SNI Sinix 5.4.5
• SCO OpenServer 5.0.6, 5.0.7
• SCO UnixWare 7.x
• Tru64 Unix 5.xx
• Open VMS 7.3-11, 7.3-21, 8.21, 8.2-11 (Alpha)
• OpenVMS 8.21, 8.2-11 (Itanium)
• Linux (32-bit): Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 5 2.1, 3.0, 4.0
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 8, 9
United Linux 1.0
Debian Linux 3.0
• Linux (64-bit): Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 5 2.1 (Itanium), 3.0 (Itanium)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 5 4.0 (Itanium and x64)
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 8 (Itanium)
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 9 (Itanium and x64)
United Linux 1.0 (Itanium)
Debian Linux 3.0
• Additional UNIX platforms via NFS (on Unix systems)
• Additional platforms via shared disks

supported online database and application integrations
databases
supported versions
Oracle (32-bit)
(Including Oracle Data Guard/Standby Database support for Oracle 9i and 10g)
• Oracle 8.1.7/ HP-UX 11.0, 11.11(32 & 64-bit)
Recovery Manager: Solaris 7, 8 & 9 (32 & 64-bit)
AIX 5.1, 5.2
Windows 2000
• Oracle 9i/ Solaris 7, 8 & 9 (32 & 64-bit)
Recovery Manager1: RHEL Adv. Server2 2.1, 3.0, 4.0
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8, 9
United Linux 1.0
Windows 2000, Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• Oracle 10g/ Windows 2000, Windows 2003 (32-bit)
Recovery Manager1: RHEL Adv. Server2 2.1, 3.0, 4.0
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8, 9
Oracle (64-bit)
(Including Oracle Data Guard/Standby Database support for Oracle 9i and 10g)
• Oracle 8.1.7/ HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11(64-bit)
Recovery Manager: Solaris 7, 8 & 9 (64-bit)
AIX 5.1 (64-bit), 5.2 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.xx
OpenVMS 7.3-1, 7.3-2
• Oracle 9i/ HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11 (64-bit)
Recovery Manager1: HP-UX 11.23 (64-bit) (Itanium & PA-RISC)
Solaris 7, 8, 9 & 10 (64-bit)
Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium)
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.xx
RHEL Adv. Server2 2.1 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server2 3.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server2 4.0 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
3
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 8 (64-bit) (Itanium)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 9 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
United Linux 1.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
OpenVMS 7.3-1, 7.3-2
• Oracle 10g/ HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11 (64-bit)
Recovery Manager1: HP-UX 11.23 (64-bit) (Itanium & PA-RISC)
Solaris 7, 8, 9 & 10 (64-bit)
Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium)
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.xx
RHEL Adv. Server2 2.1 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server2 3.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server2 4.0 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 8 (64-bit) (Itanium)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 9 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
United Linux 1.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
Informix (32-bit)
• Informix 7.31: HP-UX 11.0, 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
Solaris 7, 8 (32 & 64-bit)
Windows 2000
• Informix IDS 9.40: HP-UX 11.0, 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
Solaris 7, 8 & 9 (32 & 64-bit)
Windows 2000, 2003 (32-bit)
• Informix IDS 10: HP-UX 11.0, 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
Solaris 8 & 9 (32 & 64-bit)
Windows 2000, 2003 (32-bit)
Informix (64-bit)
• Informix 7.31: HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11 (64-bit)
Solaris 7, 8 (64-bit)
• Informix IDS 9.40: HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11 (64-bit)
HP-UX 11.23 (64-bit) (Itanium & PA-RISC)
Solaris 7, 8 & 9 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.xx
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
• Informix IDS 10: HP-UX 11.11 (64-bit)
HP-UX 11.23 (64-bit) (Itanium & PA-RISC)
Solaris 7, 8 & 9 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.xx
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
Sybase (32-bit)
• Sybase Adaptive HP-UX 11.0, 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
Server Enterprise 12.5.x: Solaris 7, 8 (32 & 64-bit)
Windows 2000
Sybase (64-bit)
• Sybase Adaptive HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11 (64-bit)
Server Enterprise 12.5.x: HP-UX 11.23 (Itanium)
Solaris 7, 8 (64-bit)
• Sybase Adaptive HP-UX 11.23 (PA-RISC)
• Server Enterprise 15.x:
Microsoft SQL Server (32-bit)
• MS SQL Server 7.0: Windows 2000
• MS SQL Server 2000: Windows 2000
Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• MS SQL Server 2005: Windows 2000
Windows 2003 (32-bit)
Microsoft SQL Server (64-bit)
• MS SQL Server 2000: Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium)
• MS SQL Server 2005: Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium)7
Microsoft Exchange Server
(including Single Mailbox and Single Folder Restore)
• MS Exchange Server 2000: Windows 2000
• MS Exchange Server 2003: Windows 2000 SP3
Windows 2003 (32-bit)
IBM DB2 (32-bit)
• IBM DB2 UDB 8.1: HP-UX 11.0, 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)3
4
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (32 & 64-bit)
RHEL Adv. Server2 2.1, 3.0, 4.0 (32-bit)3
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8, 9 (32-bit)3
Windows 2000, 2003 (32-bit)3
• IBM DB2 UDB 8.2: RHEL Adv. Server2 2.1, 3.0, 4.0 (32-bit)3
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8, 9 (32-bit)3
Windows 2000, 2003 (32-bit)3
IBM DB2 (64-bit)
• IBM DB2 UDB 8.1: HP-UX 11.0, 11.11 (64-bit)3
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
• IBM DB2 UDB 8.2: HP-UX 11.11 (64-bit), 11.23 (Itanium)3
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
Lotus Notes, Lotus Domino
(including Single Mailbox backup & Restore)
• Lotus Domino/Notes R5: HP-UX 11.0, 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
Windows 2000
• Lotus Domino/Notes R64: Windows 2000, Windows 2003 (32-bit)
• Lotus Domino/Notes 6.5.x: HP-UX 11.11
Solaris 8
Windows 2000, Windows 2003 (32-bit)
SAPDB / MaxDB
(Online integration based on ‘Backint for SAPDB / MaxDB’)
• SAPDB version 7.4x: HP-UX 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
Windows 2000 & 2003 (32-bit)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1, 3.0 (32-bit)
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 (32-bit)
• MaxDB version 7.5: HP-UX 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
HP-UX 11.23 (PA-RISC & Itanium)
Windows 2000 & 2003 (32-bit)
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8, 9 (32-bit)
RHEL Adv. Server2 2.1, 3.0 (32-bit)
• MaxDB version 7.6: HP-UX 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
HP-UX 11.23 (PA-RISC & Itanium)
Windows 2000 & 2003 (32-bit)
SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8, 9 (32-bit)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1, 3.0, 4.0 (32-bit)
SAP 5 (32-bit)
• SAP R/3 3.1x: HP-UX 11.0 (32-bit)
• SAP R/3 4.0: HP-UX 11.0 (32 & 64-bit)
• SAP R/3 4.5, HP-UX 11.0 (32 & 64-bit)
using RMAN mode: Windows 2000
• SAP R/3 4.5, HP-UX 11.0 (32 & 64-bit)
using backint mode: Solaris 8 (32 & 64-bit)
• SAP R/3 4.6x, HP-UX 11.0 (32 & 64-bit)
using RMAN mode: HP-UX 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
Windows 2000
Solaris 8 (32 & 64-bit)
• SAP R/3 4.6x,: HP-UX 11.0 (32 & 64-bit)
using backint mode HP-UX 11.11 (32 & 64-bit)
AIX 5.1, 5.2
Solaris 8 (32 & 64-bit)
Windows 2000
• SAP 4.7, using backint Windows 2000, Windows 2003 (32-bit)
& RMAN mode: SuSE Linux Enterprise server 8, 9
RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1, 3.0, 4.0
• SAP Brtools 6.10, using Windows 2000, Windows 2003(32-bit)
backint & RMAN mode RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1, 3.0
• SAP Brtools 6.20, using Windows 2000, Windows 2003 (32-bit)
backint & RMAN mode SuSE Linux Enterprise server 8, 9
RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1, 3.0, 4.0
5
• SAP Brtools 6.40, using Windows 2000, Windows 2003 (32-bit)
backint & RMAN mode SuSE Linux Enterprise server 8, 9
RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1, 3.0, 4.0
SAP 5 (64-bit)
• SAP R/3 4.0: HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit)
• SAP R/3 4.5, using HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit)
backint & RMAN mode:
• SAP R/3 4.6x, using HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11(64-bit)
backint mode:
• SAP R/3 4.6x, HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), HP-UX 11.11(64-bit)
using RMAN mode: Solaris 8 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.xx (64-bit)
• SAP 4.7, using backint HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11(64-bit)
& RMAN mode: HP-UX 11.23 (64-bit) (Itanium & PA-RISC)
Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium)
Solaris 8 & 9 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.x
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 3.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 4.0 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 8 (64-bit) (Itanium)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 9 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
United Linux 1.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
• SAP Brtools 6.10, using HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11(64-bit)
backint & RMAN mode: Solaris 8 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.xx (64-bit)
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
• SAP Brtools 6.20, using HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11(64-bit)
backint & RMAN mode: HP-UX 11.23 (64-bit) (Itanium & PA-RISC)
Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium)
Solaris 8 & 9 (64-bit)
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.xx (64-bit)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 3.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 4.0 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 8 (64-bit) (Itanium)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 9 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
United Linux 1.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
• SAP Brtools 6.40, using HP-UX 11.0 (64-bit), 11.11(64-bit)
backint & RMAN mode: HP-UX 11.23 (64-bit) (Itanium & PA-RISC)
Windows 2003 (64-bit) (Itanium)
Solaris 8, 9 & 10 (64-bit)
Tru64 5.x
AIX 5.1, 5.2 & 5.3 (64-bit)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 2.1 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 3.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
RHEL Adv. Server 2 4.0 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 8 (64-bit) (Itanium)
SuSE Linux Ent. Server 9 (64-bit) (Itanium and x64)
United Linux 1.0 (64-bit) (Itanium)
Baan IV 6
• Baan IV on Oracle, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server and Sybase (see versions above)

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Many thanks for this useful information !

Is the 6.0 upgrade worth it ? Does it solve big 5.5 problems/limitations ?

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I don't know, since we haven't tried it yet. The HP website has lots of PDF's on 6.0 including release notes (called "Product Announcements"), installation instructions, a "List of Enhancements & Defects Resolved" (which would probably answer your questions), etc. Supposedly you can upgrade any 5.x version straight to 6.0. I'll keep you posted, probably via a new forum post when I get done.

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Hi !
I'm going to use DataProtector in the next few weeks. What do you think about it ? How does it compare to NetBackup or NetWorker for example ?
Cheers,
Ludo.

Just curious if you went with Data Protector and, if so, how it's going.

I've been using DP for about 5 years and it mostly produces useful results. Like all software, it won't do everything for everyone.

At past positions, I've used Legato (Networker) and NetBackup. They all have their pitfalls. The trick is to know your software well enough to use it in useful ways.

Best,
Stan

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