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Post New look for amanda.org 
Hello All,

I am a web developer working at Zmanda. We wanted to give a facelift to
amanda.org to make it more user-friendly as well as visually appealing.
Our objective was to do so without losing the site's simplicity. Here is
a draft of new version of amanda.org:

http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/

Currently I have only two pages coded in order to get feedback - the
main page and downloads page. Rest of the links point to the main page
itself.

Please let me know if you have any feedback on this new design.



Regards,

Tatjana Schlothauer

Post New look for amanda.org 
On Thursday 18 February 2010, Tatjana wrote:
Hello All,

I am a web developer working at Zmanda. We wanted to give a facelift to
amanda.org to make it more user-friendly as well as visually appealing.
Our objective was to do so without losing the site's simplicity. Here is
a draft of new version of amanda.org:

http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/

Currently I have only two pages coded in order to get feedback - the
main page and downloads page. Rest of the links point to the main page
itself.

Please let me know if you have any feedback on this new design.



Regards,

Tatjana Schlothauer

I liked the old page, although it could use a little eye candy if the candy
is small and fast to load. This one needs several clicks to get to the
2.6.2alpha packages that I'm running, usually within 48 hours of the
appearance of a new snapshot. They were right on the front page of the old
page. The only thing I liked was the logo, but put the files back on the
front page. Much easier to check for newer versions the old way.

--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

"You are welcome to your opinion. I've got this great bridge to sell you
too."

- Alan Cox to someone recommending the NVidia drivers

Post New look for amanda.org 
A million times better!

The only thing that I would change is the sponsored by message that's at the bottom of the page - maybe have a second one over the right hand top menu where it says "Download | FAQ | Wiki


On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:34 -0800, Tatjana wrote:
Hello All,

I am a web developer working at Zmanda. We wanted to give a facelift to
amanda.org to make it more user-friendly as well as visually appealing.
Our objective was to do so without losing the site's simplicity. Here is
a draft of new version of amanda.org:

http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/

Currently I have only two pages coded in order to get feedback - the
main page and downloads page. Rest of the links point to the main page
itself.

Please let me know if you have any feedback on this new design.



Regards,

Tatjana Schlothauer




Matt Burkhardt
Impari Systems, Inc.

Customer Relationship Management Systems
We help you find and keep your best customers
mlb < at > imparisystems.com ([email]mlb < at > imparisystems.com[/email])
http://www.imparisystems.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlburkhardt
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Frederick, MD 21701
work (301) 682-7901
cell (301) 802-3235

Post New look for amanda.org 
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett < at > verizon.net> wrote:
I liked the old page, although it could use a little eye candy if the candy
is small and fast to load.  This one needs several clicks to get to the
2.6.2alpha packages that I'm running, usually within 48 hours of the
appearance of a new snapshot.  They were right on the front page of the old
page.  The only thing I liked was the logo, but put the files back on the
front page.  Much easier to check for newer versions the old way.

I think you're mistaken - the content and its location hasn't changed.
Comparing
http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/
and
http://www.amanda.org/
they differ only in the location of whitespace. Maybe you're used to
going directly to the downloads page?
http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/download.html

Dustin

--
Open Source Storage Engineer
http://www.zmanda.com

Post New look for amanda.org 
On Friday 19 February 2010, Dustin J. Mitchell wrote:
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett < at > verizon.net>
wrote:
I liked the old page, although it could use a little eye candy if the
candy is small and fast to load. This one needs several clicks to get to
the 2.6.2alpha packages that I'm running, usually within 48 hours of the
appearance of a new snapshot. They were right on the front page of the
old page. The only thing I liked was the logo, but put the files back on
the front page. Much easier to check for newer versions the old way.

I think you're mistaken - the content and its location hasn't changed.
Comparing
http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/
and
http://www.amanda.org/
they differ only in the location of whitespace. Maybe you're used to
going directly to the downloads page?
http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/download.html

Dustin

Its whatever I have saved in my bookmarks, and you could well be correct, let
me check. And of course you are, my bookmark goes straight to the downloads
page.

Can I plead oldtimers or something? Wink

--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

Today's scientific question is: What in the world is electricity?

And where does it go after it leaves the toaster?
-- Dave Barry, "What is Electricity?"

Post New look for amanda.org 
I'm glad that worked out. That being out of the way, I'll say
that the new home page is much snappier, more visually appealing.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:29:56PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 19 February 2010, Dustin J. Mitchell wrote:
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett < at > verizon.net>
wrote:
I liked the old page, although it could use a little eye candy if the
candy is small and fast to load. This one needs several clicks to get to
the 2.6.2alpha packages that I'm running, usually within 48 hours of the
appearance of a new snapshot. They were right on the front page of the
old page. The only thing I liked was the logo, but put the files back on
the front page. Much easier to check for newer versions the old way.

I think you're mistaken - the content and its location hasn't changed.
Comparing
http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/
and
http://www.amanda.org/
they differ only in the location of whitespace. Maybe you're used to
going directly to the downloads page?
http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/download.html

Dustin

Its whatever I have saved in my bookmarks, and you could well be correct, let
me check. And of course you are, my bookmark goes straight to the downloads
page.

Can I plead oldtimers or something? Wink

--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

Today's scientific question is: What in the world is electricity?

And where does it go after it leaves the toaster?
-- Dave Barry, "What is Electricity?"
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Post New look for amanda.org 
Tatjana wrote:
Hello All,

I am a web developer working at Zmanda. We wanted to give a facelift
to amanda.org to make it more user-friendly as well as visually
appealing. Our objective was to do so without losing the site's
simplicity. Here is a draft of new version of amanda.org:

http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/

Currently I have only two pages coded in order to get feedback - the
main page and downloads page. Rest of the links point to the main page
itself.

Please let me know if you have any feedback on this new design.

Thank you!

My reaction is that it brings the web site more in line with current
professional standards for web design. The old page had become a bit
embarrassing and dated. It looked like something from 10 years ago or
more -- a time when hackers (used in the positive sense) did a lot of
the web design, before real designers got involved. Even then it took a
while for real designers to get their heads around web design and
transform it.

I could go into detail on the things that are good about the new design
(logo dropped back to a sensible size, coherent color scheme, clean use
of opposing tint gradations, clean tables); but, perhaps that's
presumptuous, since I'm not a designer. On the other hand, I do
appreciate good design and spent a couple of years trying to learn it
when I ran a graphic arts service bureau in the late 1980's.

It looks good. Information is accessible. Ranking of information seems
well done.


--
---------------

Chris Hoogendyk

-
O__ ---- Systems Administrator
c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geology Departments
(*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center
~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst

<hoogendyk < at > bio.umass.edu>

---------------

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Post New look for amanda.org 
On Friday 19 February 2010, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Can I plead oldtimers or something? Wink

Not allowed. Wink

I need to retain the hope that after a few more years I will still be
just as sharp as you are. Of course, that kind of begs the question of
whether I'm that sharp right now. Wink

Thanks for the flowers Chris, there are times when I really need that boost
to my ego.

Right now, I am fighting with a driver for serial comm, using what can only
be described as "legacy hardware", the 6551 ACIA chip, running on a "legacy
computer", the TRS-80 Color Computer 3, in this case with a much smarter
Hitachi 6309 cmos cpu in it, and 2 megs of ram that it pages in and out of a
64k cpu address space as required. Its running the latest cvs pull of
nitros9, which is what the coco community now calls what used to be
Microware's OS9, and without diddling the clock speed has been optimized
until its about 2x faster that the original 'Level 2' version. The driver is
stable, and in the face of attempted buffer overruns, which it will not do
(finally), instead should exert some hardware flow control, but isn't.

At an rs232 speed of 9600 baud, an sz to rz transfer to this old slow machine
marches along at about 640 cps without any great amount of error corrections
being needed by rz. Crank it up to 19,200 baud, and the error corrections
limit it to about 150 cps over a full floppy disk image being moved. rzsz of
course manage to make the transfer perfect when done The correct value that I
write to the 6551's command register to drop the CTS signal (DTR on that end
I believe) I see on the led sniffer at this end of the cable has so far
eluded me, and I need to find it because I think I also have a flaky mc1488
in the interface that will occasionally _not_ bring it back true regardless
of how many times I write the correct signal to re-enable it in the 6551.

Failing miserably so far, so this is one of those times when I really do
appreciate the flowers, so thanks, a bunch.

OTOH, I just late last night, managed to get the driver to be stable despite
the overflow attempts, so now I am in a position to really go and beat it
about the brow with a real pi$$ elm club and make it truly bulletproof even
at much higher transport speeds. At least that is the target. I started
with some 20 year old level 1 (64k ram only) code that was IMO, much better
organized than the somewhat newer that is the std driver for this, which make
it both smaller and faster than the default mess of spaghetti. It has
basically 4 pieces of code, 2 in the IRQservice routine that handle the chip
and write buffer being empty, or the incoming buffer being full or the
outgoing buffer being empty, in which case it trys to wake the sleeping user
program, and the normal read, write and set config calls the outside world
can see. The read and write take care of emptying the read buffer, handing
the data back to the users program, and when nearly out of data, sends an xon
and/or resets DTR active low,, and the write portion taking care of telling
the writer to go take a nap when that write buffer is full.

--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

UNIX enhancements aren't.

Post New look for amanda.org 
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 07:32:16AM -0500, Matt Burkhardt wrote:
A million times better!

The only thing that I would change is the sponsored by message that's at
the bottom of the page - maybe have a second one over the right hand top
menu where it says "Download | FAQ | Wiki


On first look I missed the "sponsored by" message. But that led me to
wonder, what constitutes sponsorship for a SourceForge hosted website?

I find the pale blue color scheme used at zmanada.com to be a good choice.
Should the amanda.org website differentiate itself with a different
color scheme?

Jon



On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:34 -0800, Tatjana wrote:

Hello All,

I am a web developer working at Zmanda. We wanted to give a facelift to
amanda.org to make it more user-friendly as well as visually appealing.
Our objective was to do so without losing the site's simplicity. Here is
a draft of new version of amanda.org:

http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/

Currently I have only two pages coded in order to get feedback - the
main page and downloads page. Rest of the links point to the main page
itself.

Please let me know if you have any feedback on this new design.



Regards,

Tatjana Schlothauer





Matt Burkhardt
Impari Systems, Inc.

Customer Relationship Management Systems
We help you find and keep your best customers
mlb < at > imparisystems.com
http://www.imparisystems.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlburkhardt
502 Fairview Avenue
Frederick, MD 21701
work (301) 682-7901
cell (301) 802-3235


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Post New look for amanda.org 
Hi Jon,

Please see my comments inline,




Thanks,

Tatjana Schlothauer


Jon LaBadie wrote:
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 07:32:16AM -0500, Matt Burkhardt wrote:

A million times better!


Thanks!

The only thing that I would change is the sponsored by message that's at
the bottom of the page - maybe have a second one over the right hand top
menu where it says "Download | FAQ | Wiki



On first look I missed the "sponsored by" message. But that led me to
wonder, what constitutes sponsorship for a SourceForge hosted website?


This is more to show our on-going support for the project itself
(development, documentation, user support etc) rather than hosting. Of
course, we will continue to provide upkeep of the site itself, both
look-and-feel and content.

I find the pale blue color scheme used at zmanada.com to be a good choice.
Should the amanda.org website differentiate itself with a different
color scheme?


Color is actually along the lines of color of Amanda wiki (which I also
intend to update sometime soon). Other characteristics (e.g. liquid vs.
fixed width, left-hand navigation) are also along the lines of Amanda
wiki. It is blue but a different shade from what is used on main Zmanda
site. I am open to color suggestions though.


Jon



On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:34 -0800, Tatjana wrote:


Hello All,

I am a web developer working at Zmanda. We wanted to give a facelift to
amanda.org to make it more user-friendly as well as visually appealing.
Our objective was to do so without losing the site's simplicity. Here is
a draft of new version of amanda.org:

http://www.amanda.org/new_site_preview/

Currently I have only two pages coded in order to get feedback - the
main page and downloads page. Rest of the links point to the main page
itself.

Please let me know if you have any feedback on this new design.



Regards,

Tatjana Schlothauer



Matt Burkhardt
Impari Systems, Inc.

Customer Relationship Management Systems
We help you find and keep your best customers
mlb < at > imparisystems.com
http://www.imparisystems.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlburkhardt
502 Fairview Avenue
Frederick, MD 21701
work (301) 682-7901
cell (301) 802-3235



End of included message <<<




Post New look for amanda.org 
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Tatjana Schlothauer <tatjana < at > zmanda.com> wrote:
On first look I missed the "sponsored by" message.  But that led me to
wonder, what constitutes sponsorship for a SourceForge hosted website?


This is more to show our on-going support for the project  itself
(development, documentation, user support etc) rather than hosting. Of
course, we will continue to provide upkeep of the site itself, both
look-and-feel and content.

Any thoughts on how we could make that clear? Maybe "Amanda
Development is Sponsored By Zmanda"?

Dustin

--
Open Source Storage Engineer
http://www.zmanda.com

Post New look for amanda.org 
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Tatjana Schlothauer
<tatjana < at > zmanda.com> wrote:
On first look I missed the "sponsored by" message. But that led me to
wonder, what constitutes sponsorship for a SourceForge hosted website?


This is more to show our on-going support for the project itself
(development, documentation, user support etc) rather than hosting. Of
course, we will continue to provide upkeep of the site itself, both
look-and-feel and content.


Any thoughts on how we could make that clear? Maybe "Amanda
Development is Sponsored By Zmanda"?

Dustin



OK, I will make that clearer in the final implementation.

All: Thanks for the feedback. I expect to roll out the new website in
next few days.

Thanks,
Tatjana Schlothauer

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