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Post Problems backing up XP when DNS name doesnt match netbios na 
We are running BackupPC-2.0.2 on Solaris 9 using smb to backup XP laptops.

We use docking ports with our laptops. These have their own network card and
static IP address.
There are also builtin network cards with static IP addresses, the DNS name of
these cards matches the netbios name of the laptops.
BackupPC works fine when using the builtin network card, but when we dock the
laptop it fails with error "no ping response".

nmblookup is working ok. According to the manual it looks like it should
work out the IP address using nmblookup (dhcp flag is set to 0).
This is what I have in config.pl:

$Conf{NmbLookupPath} = '/home/samba_grubb/bin/nmblookup';
$Conf{NmbLookupCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath -A $host';
$Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath $host';

E.g. for laptop spook, IP address of builtin card is 194.80.190.76.
Docked into docking port dock39-16, IP address 194.80.190.68.

% /home/samba_grubb/bin/nmblookup spook
querying spook on 194.80.190.127
194.80.190.68 spook<00>

% ping 194.80.190.68
194.80.190.68 is alive
% host 194.80.190.68
68.190.80.194.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer dock39-16.quadstone.co.uk.

Am I missing something obvious here?


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Post Problems backing up XP when DNS name doesnt match netbios na 
Hi,

On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 11:20, Michael Keightley wrote:
We are running BackupPC-2.0.2 on Solaris 9 using smb to backup XP laptops.

We use docking ports with our laptops. These have their own network card and
static IP address.
There are also builtin network cards with static IP addresses, the DNS name of
these cards matches the netbios name of the laptops.
BackupPC works fine when using the builtin network card, but when we dock the
laptop it fails with error "no ping response".

nmblookup is working ok. According to the manual it looks like it should
work out the IP address using nmblookup (dhcp flag is set to 0).
This is what I have in config.pl:

$Conf{NmbLookupPath} = '/home/samba_grubb/bin/nmblookup';
$Conf{NmbLookupCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath -A $host';
$Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath $host';

If you replace $Conf{PingPath} = '/bin/ping'; with $Conf{PingPath} =
'/bin/echo'; in your configfile for that client, does the backup work?
Or is this another network connection in XP which has the built-in
firewalling enabled?

Hope this helps!

Regards,

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Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:33 am
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Post Problems backing up XP when DNS name doesnt match netbios na 
On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 11:33:29AM +0200, Guus Houtzager wrote:
Hi,

On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 11:20, Michael Keightley wrote:
We are running BackupPC-2.0.2 on Solaris 9 using smb to backup XP laptops.

We use docking ports with our laptops. These have their own network card and
static IP address.
There are also builtin network cards with static IP addresses, the DNS name of
these cards matches the netbios name of the laptops.
BackupPC works fine when using the builtin network card, but when we dock the
laptop it fails with error "no ping response".

nmblookup is working ok. According to the manual it looks like it should
work out the IP address using nmblookup (dhcp flag is set to 0).
This is what I have in config.pl:

$Conf{NmbLookupPath} = '/home/samba_grubb/bin/nmblookup';
$Conf{NmbLookupCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath -A $host';
$Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath $host';

If you replace $Conf{PingPath} = '/bin/ping'; with $Conf{PingPath} =
'/bin/echo'; in your configfile for that client, does the backup work?
Or is this another network connection in XP which has the built-in
firewalling enabled?

Hope this helps!
The XP Firewall is disabled. The problem seems to be because we had a wireless
card connected. Our Wins server (Samba 2.2.8a) still thinks it's IP address
is the wireless card, even though it was removed hours ago.

% nmblookup -R -U pearl spook
querying spook on 192.168.193.61
192.168.191.232 spook<00>

This was the IP address of the wireless card.

Should Samba not be picking up the new IP address?

Michael

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Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:08 am
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Post Problems backing up XP when DNS name doesnt match netbios na 
Michael Keightley writes:

We use docking ports with our laptops. These have their own
network card and static IP address. There are also builtin
network cards with static IP addresses, the DNS name of these
cards matches the netbios name of the laptops. BackupPC works
fine when using the builtin network card, but when we dock the
laptop it fails with error "no ping response".

BackupPC first tries DNS. If the host lookup via DNS succeeds,
then that is the address BackupPC will try to ping. If the ping
fails then BackupPC gives up. If the DNS lookup fails, it will then
run $Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd}, which you have set to:

$Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath $host';

Therefore, assuming the DNS lookup fails,

% /home/samba_grubb/bin/nmblookup spook
querying spook on 194.80.190.127
194.80.190.68 spook<00>

it should get the correct IP address.

So I suspect your problem is that DNS returns a valid IP address,
which BackupPC then uses. There isn't (currently) a way to configure
BackupPC to skip DNS and just use nmblookup.

To see all the steps BackupPC uses, do this:

su backuppc
/path/to/BackupPC/bin/BackupPC_dump -v -f spook

This should show you which step returns which IP address (eg: does
it run nmblookup or not?).

Craig


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Post Problems backing up XP when DNS name doesnt match netbios na 
On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 12:08:48AM -0700, Craig Barratt wrote:
Michael Keightley writes:

We use docking ports with our laptops. These have their own
network card and static IP address. There are also builtin
network cards with static IP addresses, the DNS name of these
cards matches the netbios name of the laptops. BackupPC works
fine when using the builtin network card, but when we dock the
laptop it fails with error "no ping response".

BackupPC first tries DNS. If the host lookup via DNS succeeds,
then that is the address BackupPC will try to ping. If the ping
fails then BackupPC gives up. If the DNS lookup fails, it will then
run $Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd}, which you have set to:

$Conf{NmbLookupFindHostCmd} = '$nmbLookupPath $host';

Therefore, assuming the DNS lookup fails,

% /home/samba_grubb/bin/nmblookup spook
querying spook on 194.80.190.127
194.80.190.68 spook<00>

it should get the correct IP address.

So I suspect your problem is that DNS returns a valid IP address,
which BackupPC then uses. There isn't (currently) a way to configure
BackupPC to skip DNS and just use nmblookup.

To see all the steps BackupPC uses, do this:

su backuppc
/path/to/BackupPC/bin/BackupPC_dump -v -f spook

This should show you which step returns which IP address (eg: does
it run nmblookup or not?).

Craig
Craig,
It exits as soon as the ping fails. It doesn't try nmblookup at all.

% BackupPC_dump -v -f piglet
cmdSystemOrEval: about to system /usr/sbin/ping -s piglet 56 1
cmdSystemOrEval: finished: got output PING piglet: 56 data bytes

----piglet PING Statistics----
1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

CheckHostAlive: first ping failed (256, )
no ping response

% nmblookup piglet
querying piglet on 194.80.190.127
194.80.190.86 piglet<00>

% nmblookup -A 194.80.190.86
Looking up status of 194.80.190.86
PIGLET <00> - M <ACTIVE>
QUADSTONE <00> - <GROUP> M <ACTIVE>
PIGLET <03> - M <ACTIVE>
PIGLET <20> - M <ACTIVE>
QUADSTONE <1e> - <GROUP> M <ACTIVE>

% host 194.80.190.86
86.190.80.194.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer dock36-16.quadstone.co.uk.

% ping dock36-16.quadstone.co.uk
dock36-16.quadstone.co.uk is alive



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Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:02 am
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Michael Keightley writes:

It exits as soon as the ping fails. It doesn't try nmblookup at all.

% BackupPC_dump -v -f piglet
cmdSystemOrEval: about to system /usr/sbin/ping -s piglet 56 1
cmdSystemOrEval: finished: got output PING piglet: 56 data bytes

----piglet PING Statistics----
1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

CheckHostAlive: first ping failed (256, )
no ping response

That looks right. If DNS succeeds then BackupPC won't try nmblookup,
even if the ping fails.

Your situation is unusual: dual interfaces, each with fixed IP addresses,
and one of them is in DNS. Can you remove the machine from DNS, or do
other services need to contact the machine over one of the interfaces?

Otherwise, perhaps we need some config option to ignore DNS and only
use nmblookup?

Craig


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Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:03 pm
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Post Problems backing up XP when DNS name doesnt match netbios na 
On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 07:03:33PM -0700, Craig Barratt wrote:
Michael Keightley writes:

It exits as soon as the ping fails. It doesn't try nmblookup at all.

% BackupPC_dump -v -f piglet
cmdSystemOrEval: about to system /usr/sbin/ping -s piglet 56 1
cmdSystemOrEval: finished: got output PING piglet: 56 data bytes

----piglet PING Statistics----
1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

CheckHostAlive: first ping failed (256, )
no ping response

That looks right. If DNS succeeds then BackupPC won't try nmblookup,
even if the ping fails.

Your situation is unusual: dual interfaces, each with fixed IP addresses,
and one of them is in DNS. Can you remove the machine from DNS, or do
other services need to contact the machine over one of the interfaces?
Craig,
We prefer to type machine names rather than IP addresses, e.g. when using VNC
or remote desktop. I have a habit of mistpying IP addresses and would end up
remote desktop'ing the wrong machine!

Otherwise, perhaps we need some config option to ignore DNS and only
use nmblookup?
That would be useful.

Thanks,

Michael

Craig


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Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:52 am
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Michael Keightley wrote:

| Craig,
| We prefer to type machine names rather than IP addresses, e.g. when
using VNC
| or remote desktop. I have a habit of mistpying IP addresses and would
end up
| remote desktop'ing the wrong machine!

A good configured dhcp server updates the dns dynamicly. The dhcp server
requests from the client the machine name and can use this for updating
the dns server.

My dhcpd.conf

|>>>>

ddns-updates on;
ddns-hostname "127.0.0.1";
ddns-domainname "intra.poelzi.org";
ddns-rev-domainname "in-addr.arpa";
ddns-update-style interim;
ddns-hostname = pick (option fqdn.hostname, option host-name,concat
("dhcp-", binary-to-ascii (10, 8, "-", leased-address)));
fqdn.hostname, option host-name);
ddns-ttl 3000;
option host-name = config-option server.ddns-hostname;
update-static-leases true;

subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
~ option domain-name "intra.poelzi.org";
~ option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1;
~ option x-display-manager server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option font-servers server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option nis-servers server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option nis-domain "intra.poelzi.org";
~ option log-servers server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option time-servers server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
~ option routers 192.168.1.1;
~ range 192.168.1.129 192.168.1.200;
~ range dynamic-bootp 192.168.1.81 192.168.1.94;
~ host cruor {
~ hardware ethernet 00:01:03:D7:E5:D0;
~ fixed-address 192.168.1.10;
~ ddns-hostname "cruor";
~ }
...
}

|>>>>

A windows machine ABC will automaticly get abc.intra.poelzi.org Smile
When there is no name available, dhcp-IP.intra.poelzi.org will be set.
Dynamic ip ranges are from 192.168.1.129-200.

I like to set fixed ip's for my machines, but the benefits of dhcp still
exists Smile

regards
~ Daniel

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Post Problems backing up XP when DNS name doesnt match netbios na 
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 12:28:32PM +0200, daniel.poelzleithner wrote:
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Michael Keightley wrote:

| Craig,
| We prefer to type machine names rather than IP addresses, e.g. when
using VNC
| or remote desktop. I have a habit of mistpying IP addresses and would
end up
| remote desktop'ing the wrong machine!

A good configured dhcp server updates the dns dynamicly. The dhcp server
requests from the client the machine name and can use this for updating
the dns server.
This doesn't really help our problem with mutiple interfaces. If machine abc
is booted to one interface, e.g. docking port it will be allocated
DNS name abc.quadstone.com. If the person undocks as uses the builtin
interface and is then allocated the same name abc.quadstone.com, this can
cause big problems as the arp table on the servers will still have the MAC
address of the docking port interface.

Michael

My dhcpd.conf

|>>>>

ddns-updates on;
ddns-hostname "127.0.0.1";
ddns-domainname "intra.poelzi.org";
ddns-rev-domainname "in-addr.arpa";
ddns-update-style interim;
ddns-hostname = pick (option fqdn.hostname, option host-name,concat
("dhcp-", binary-to-ascii (10, 8, "-", leased-address)));
fqdn.hostname, option host-name);
ddns-ttl 3000;
option host-name = config-option server.ddns-hostname;
update-static-leases true;

subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
~ option domain-name "intra.poelzi.org";
~ option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1;
~ option x-display-manager server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option font-servers server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option nis-servers server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option nis-domain "intra.poelzi.org";
~ option log-servers server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option time-servers server.intra.poelzi.org;
~ option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
~ option routers 192.168.1.1;
~ range 192.168.1.129 192.168.1.200;
~ range dynamic-bootp 192.168.1.81 192.168.1.94;
~ host cruor {
~ hardware ethernet 00:01:03:D7:E5:D0;
~ fixed-address 192.168.1.10;
~ ddns-hostname "cruor";
~ }
...
}

|>>>>

A windows machine ABC will automaticly get abc.intra.poelzi.org Smile
When there is no name available, dhcp-IP.intra.poelzi.org will be set.
Dynamic ip ranges are from 192.168.1.129-200.

I like to set fixed ip's for my machines, but the benefits of dhcp still
exists Smile

regards
~ Daniel

- --
nihil me cirumdat

.. . .. ... . . .. . ... . .. . ... . . .
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Michael Keightley wrote:

|> This doesn't really help our problem with mutiple interfaces. If
machine abc
|> is booted to one interface, e.g. docking port it will be allocated
|> DNS name abc.quadstone.com. If the person undocks as uses the builtin
|> interface and is then allocated the same name abc.quadstone.com, this
can
|> cause big problems as the arp table on the servers will still have
the MAC
|> address of the docking port interface.

The arp table will be updated when the the ethernet packages fail. The
sender will send a ARP request to determine the new MAC address. The
regular lifetime of an arp entry are some seconds anyway.

regards
~ Daniel

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