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yeah, like you need more of these, I'm sure...

in the Host Summary:
- it would be really nice to be able to sort the hosts by a particular
column. f.ex. click on a column heading, and the table gets sorted &
displayed in ascending order based on that item. click it again, and it's
sorted in descending order.

this would be really nice for seeing what hosts haven't been backed up in
a while.

- include a column for backup time, so I can look at the host summary, and
get some idea how long this backup will take, without having to look into
the individual host's summary.
-- perhaps a 'summary time' as well, so I know how close to 24 hours it's
taking me to back up all my machines. Smile

- total disk space used. I know this is in the 'Status' screen, but that's
the only thing I really look at on that screen. I spend most of my time
looking at the Host Summary, so I'd like to have that data there as well. Smile

just a few small UI suggestions. tell me what you think. Smile

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Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:11 am

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Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom <chrome < at > real-time.com>:

[snip]

-- perhaps a 'summary time' as well, so I know how close to 24 hours it's
taking me to back up all my machines. Smile

Hey Carl, long time..

Not sure what you mean by 'summary time'.. and how on earth you would calculate
it for me.. I let BackupPC schedule most of my backups, so it starts chugging
around 6PM.. and around midnight it's done with those..

Then at 2am I manually fire one backup up which ran for 33 minutes last night..
and at 3am I backup our database servers (they dump at 2).. these finished at
3:46..

How would you calculate a summary time for that? Just add it all up? Does that
really have any meaningful value? Or am I paddling my boat on concrete again?

Tony

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Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:22 am

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On 07/22 12:22 , Tony Nelson wrote:
How would you calculate a summary time for that? Just add it all up?

acutally, on second thought, what I'm looking for is the total amount of
time that the server spent *idle*. so if it takes 20 hours of working time
every day (even if broken up into several sections) to back up all the
machines which are supposed to be backed up (letting the queue take care of
keeping the machine as busy as possible); I know I have some headroom to add
more machines. (albeit at the cost of some backups possibly running over
into hours when they might be in use, and/or missing their allowed backup
time entirely).

if the idle timer shows 0.0 minutes free throughout the day though; I can go
to the management and say "this backup server does not have the necessary
processing power, memory, and disk speed to keep up with our backup needs.
it takes 25 hours to do a day's worth of backups, and some people's data is
being missed."

I'm trying to back up 400GB of data on 42 hosts, with a 750MHz Duron and a
bunch of IDE disks. I have $0 budget for this thing, but it's just too damn
useful, so I put it together from off-the-shelf parts. the backup speed
limitation is definitely on the server side; since with 2 backups running in
parallel, it shows a system load of 2, and 0% free CPU.

thanks for asking tho. Smile

Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:38 am

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Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom <chrome < at > real-time.com>:

On 07/22 12:22 , Tony Nelson wrote:
How would you calculate a summary time for that? Just add it all up?

acutally, on second thought, what I'm looking for is the total amount of
time that the server spent *idle*. so if it takes 20 hours of working time
every day (even if broken up into several sections) to back up all the
machines which are supposed to be backed up (letting the queue take care of
keeping the machine as busy as possible); I know I have some headroom to add
more machines. (albeit at the cost of some backups possibly running over
into hours when they might be in use, and/or missing their allowed backup
time entirely).

if the idle timer shows 0.0 minutes free throughout the day though; I can go
to the management and say "this backup server does not have the necessary
processing power, memory, and disk speed to keep up with our backup needs.
it takes 25 hours to do a day's worth of backups, and some people's data is
being missed."

Now that makes a whole lot of sense.. and tracking idle vs. busy time shouldn't
be too awfully hard.. I'm guessing you might just be able to whip up a perl
script to parse the server log and get your answer.. but just a thought..
would you count the time BackupPC_nightly was running as idle or busy.. busy I
guess since you can't do backups during that period.

I'm trying to back up 400GB of data on 42 hosts, with a 750MHz Duron and a
bunch of IDE disks. I have $0 budget for this thing, but it's just too damn
useful, so I put it together from off-the-shelf parts. the backup speed
limitation is definitely on the server side; since with 2 backups running in
parallel, it shows a system load of 2, and 0% free CPU.

I had the same problem w/ my proof of concept machine.. it's a 400MHz Pentium
III (as I recall).. there were machines I just plain couldn't backup.. a 20
hour backup just wasn't in the cards.. thank goodness the proof of concept
freed up budget and I was able to buy the new box.. BackupPC is running like a
dream now.

Tony

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Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:45 am

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* [Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom]

if the idle timer shows 0.0 minutes free throughout the day though; I can go
to the management and say "this backup server does not have the necessary
processing power, memory, and disk speed to keep up with our backup needs.
it takes 25 hours to do a day's worth of backups, and some people's data is
being missed."

While not as cool as an internal timer in backuppc, sysstat/sar could help.

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Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:25 am

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Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes:

in the Host Summary:

[snip]

Thanks. Added to the FAQ.

-- perhaps a 'summary time' as well, so I know how close to 24 hours it's
taking me to back up all my machines. Smile

What would be nice is a plot of BackupPC load history, eg: average
number of backups running each 24 hours, perhaps plotted in 1 hour
buckets for the last 7 days. Also show BackupPC_link and
BackupPC_nightly.

This adds a couple more module dependencies for BackupPC. Would people
be inclined to install GD, GD::Graph, GD::Text etc to support a status
plotting feature?

Craig

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Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:28 pm

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On 07/25 09:28 , Craig Barratt wrote:
-- perhaps a 'summary time' as well, so I know how close to 24 hours it's
taking me to back up all my machines. Smile

What would be nice is a plot of BackupPC load history, eg: average
number of backups running each 24 hours, perhaps plotted in 1 hour
buckets for the last 7 days. Also show BackupPC_link and
BackupPC_nightly.

might be better to do 15-minute increments. a lot of my machines don't take
more than 20 minutes to back up; some quite a bit less.

then again, maybe it doesn't matter.

I'm inclined to say this is overkill; but then again, pretty graphs are
always good for showing to management.

other things that could be graphed are:
data backed up (compressed and uncompressed)
system load (compare to total number of backups at any given time, to see at
what point load increases exponentially. this way you can fine-tune the
maximum number of processes to run at once).

This adds a couple more module dependencies for BackupPC. Would people
be inclined to install GD, GD::Graph, GD::Text etc to support a status
plotting feature?

as long as there are Debian packages available for them, and the
dependencies are correct, I don't much care. Wink

Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:14 am

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How about making the host summary change colors when the backups
are old for any reason? I let the server disk overfill again
and it is starting to send some warning emails but the host
summary page is still mostly green even though the backups
are all 4-6 days old. A 'last success' timestamp column would
be a nice touch since you have to scan both the full and
incremental age columns to tell now. And I don't consider logging
'disk too full' to be a success, even though the program is
doing what it is supposed to do...

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Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:48 am

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Les Mikesell writes:

How about making the host summary change colors when the backups
are old for any reason? I let the server disk overfill again
and it is starting to send some warning emails but the host
summary page is still mostly green even though the backups
are all 4-6 days old. A 'last success' timestamp column would
be a nice touch since you have to scan both the full and
incremental age columns to tell now. And I don't consider logging
'disk too full' to be a success, even though the program is
doing what it is supposed to do...

Ok, I'll add this to the wishlist. As you note, the nightly admin email
warns you that X hosts were skipped because the disk was too full.

Craig

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Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:43 am

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On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 11:43, Craig Barratt wrote:

Ok, I'll add this to the wishlist. As you note, the nightly admin email
warns you that X hosts were skipped because the disk was too full.

Thanks. I'm not convinced that the email is doing what it should
either. I think it is sending one email even though it is skipping
14 hosts. (This instance runs on someone else's box - he's also
the owner listed in the hosts file and has a habit of deleting
all system email messages without reading them because he gets
hundreds a day...). This is with version 2.1.0. The log says:

2004-08-02 09:54:31 Disk too full (98%); skipping 14 hosts
2004-08-02 09:54:31 BackupPC_nightly now running BackupPC_sendEmail

but the email summary only shows that it sent one email. I'm
the 'owner' of some other machines in that hosts file and did
not get any notification that the backups are old.

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Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:10 am

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