Mr Robert,=0AI don't want to waste your time, nor the other's ! I just aske=
d for a simple configuration for my HP StorageWorks 1/8 Ultrium 232 Tape Au=
toloader If it's a waste of time for you and the list I will understand and=
stop harassing you with my stupid newbie questions !=0A=0AI want just to s=
ay that I read the docs but I did not find something realy Windows/Tape Aut=
oloader oriented (note: the config here is the one given in the installed f=
iles)=0A=0AI really apologize for the time I'm making you wasting ! I've ge=
t a wrong start and now no one wants to help me ! I believed that this list=
is for helping people new to bacula like me and who did not understand ver=
y well the documentation, but I think I was too much wrong.=0A=0AI think it=
's just cased by the fact that I don't use my professional email in the lis=
t ?! =0AAnyway, is there any one who can give me a simple storage definitio=
n for an HP StorageWorks 1/8 Ultrium 232 Tape Autoloader ? I will be very g=
rateful !=0A=0AThanks=0ANawfel=0A=0A----- Message d'origine ----=0ADe : Rob=
ert Nelson <robertn < at > th...>=0A=C0 : spouynt < at > ya...; Don MacArthu=
r <macarthurd < at > cm...>=0ACc : bacula-users < at > li...=0AE=
nvoy=E9 le : Jeudi, 15 Mars 2007, 19h10mn 59s=0AObjet : RE: [Bacula-users] =
Re : ****URGENT****Need Help!***=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A<!--=0A _filt=
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=0AWell at least you read the part about=0Astarting with the configs that w=
ere installed. However you haven=92t=0Aadjusted them to match your configu=
ration. Instead of wasting everyone=92s=0Atime posting without thinking. =
READ THE DOCUMENTATION AND ADJUST THE=0ACONFIGURATIONS TO SUIT YOUR ENVIRON=
MENT.=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Abacula-=
users-bounces < at > li...=0A[mailto:bacula-users-bounces < at > li...=
urceforge.net] On Behalf Of spouynt < at > ya...=0A=0ASent: Thursday, March 15,=
2007=0A8:10 AM=0A=0ATo: Don MacArthur=0A=0ACc:=0Abacula-users < at > li...=
forge.net=0A=0ASubject: [Bacula-users] Re :=0A****URGENT****Need Help!***=
=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThank you all for your=0Ahelp,=
=0A=0A=0A=0AI modified my files to get this config :=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAutoc=
hanger {=0A=0A Name =3D Autochanger=0A=0A Device =3D Drive-1=0A=0A Devic=
e =3D Drive-2=0A=0A Changer Command =3D "mtx-changer %c %o %S %a %d"=0A=0A=
Changer Device =3D 4:0:5:1 #Changer0=0A=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0ADevice {=0A=0A =
Name =3D=0ADrive-1 =0A#=0A=0A Drive Index =3D 0=0A=0A =
Media Type =3D DLT-8000=0A=0A Device Type =3D Tape=0A=0A Archive Device =
=3D Tape0=0A=0A AutomaticMount =3D=0Ayes =0A# when device ope=
ned, read it=0A=0A AlwaysOpen =3D yes=0A=0A RemovableMedia =3D yes=0A=0A =
RandomAccess =3D no=0A=0A AutoChanger =3D yes=0A=0A Alert Command =3D "t=
apeinfo -f %c | findstr TapeAlert"=0A=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0ADevice {=0A=0A Name =
=3D=0ADrive-2 =0A#=0A=0A Drive Index =3D 1=0A=0A Medi=
a Type =3D DLT-8000=0A=0A Device Type =3D Tape=0A=0A Archive Device =3D T=
ape1=0A=0A AutomaticMount =3D=0Ayes =0A# when device opened, =
read it=0A=0A AlwaysOpen =3D yes=0A=0A RemovableMedia =3D yes=0A=0A Rand=
omAccess =3D no=0A=0A AutoChanger =3D yes=0A=0A Alert Command =3D "tapein=
fo -f %c | findstr TapeAlert"=0A=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI want to test with o=
nly 2 tapes but I get this log :=0A=0A=0A=0ARunning Jobs:=0A=0ANo Jobs runn=
ing.=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=0A=0AJobs waiting to reserve a drive:=0A=0A=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=0A=0ATerminated Jobs:=0A=0A JobId Level Files =0ABy=
tes Status =0AFinished Name =0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A 18 =0AFull =0A0 0 =0AError =
15-Mar-07 23:50 ilemma009=0A=0A 19 =0AFull =0A0 0 =
=0AError 15-Mar-07 23:53 Client1=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=0A=0ADevice sta=
tus:=0A=0AAutochanger "Autochanger" with devices:=0A=0A "Drive-1" (Tape0)=
=0A=0A "Drive-2" (Tape1)=0A=0ADevice "Drive-1" (Tape0) is not open.=0A=0A=
Drive 0 status unknown.=0A=0ADevice "Drive-2" (Tape1) is not open.=0A=
=0A Drive 1 status unknown.=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=0A=0AIn Use Volume s=
tatus:=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI think the DLT-8000 is not the b=
est Media Type to put there ! am I right ?=0A(
) please, if you know whic=
h media type I have to specify for my HP StorageWorks 1/8 Ultrium 232 Tape =
Autoloader ? =0A=0A=0A=0AI feel like stuck there ! please help me !=0A=0A=
=0A=0ASincerly yours=0A=0ANawfel=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Message d=
'origine=0A----=0A=0ADe : Don MacArthur <macarthurd < at > cm...>=0A=0A=
=C0 : Robert Nelson <robertn < at > th...>=0A=0ACc : bacula-users < at > lists.=
sourceforge.net=0A=0AEnvoy=E9 le : Jeudi, 15 Mars 2007, 14h27mn 05s=0A=0AOb=
jet : Re: [Bacula-users] ***************URGENT************Need=0AHelp!*****=
**********=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AHi Robert,=0A=0A=0A=0AThis comment is in referenc=
e to the conversation about using HP Windows=0A=0ADrivers. =0A=0A=0A=0AIn =
my conversations with HP and other vendors about drivers and tape=0A=0Adriv=
es on Windows, the consensus seemed to be that using Windows drivers=0A=0Ac=
reated more problems that they solved. Their advice was to address=0Athe=
=0A=0Ascsi devices directly. The benefits are increased throughput and=0Af=
ewer=0A=0Aproblems communicating with the devices. =0A=0A=0A=0AI do not ha=
ve experience running the Bacula sd on Windows, but I have=0A=0Arun other e=
nterprise backup systems on Windows and this was the advice I=0A=0Awas give=
n by the vendors. IIRC, the issue is with scsi device=0Acommand=0A=0Acommu=
nication, and the applications handled it better directly with the=0A=0Adev=
ices than through the Windows drivers. =0A=0A=0A=0AThe earlier advice abou=
t determining the device id's using scsilist.exe=0A=0Awould facilitate this=
, I think. =0A=0A=0A=0AFWIW.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, 2007-03-15 at 03:30 -0700,=
Robert Nelson wrote:=0A=0A> First of all start with the configuration file=
s installed by the=0A=0A> installer. They have examples that you should be=
able to use by=0Ajust=0A=0A> uncommenting the proper definitions and chang=
ing a few=0Aentries. I=0A=0A> don=92t know now you created these configura=
tions but they are all=0A=0A> messed up. You have entries from the Autocha=
nger resource in=0Ayour=0A=0A> Device resource and you are missing the Auto=
changer resource. =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> You need to pay particu=
lar attention to how the various resource=0A=0A> structures from the config=
uration files reference each=0Aother. For=0A=0A> example the Device in the=
Storage resource in the Director=0A=0A> configuration file must match the =
Name in the Device resource in the=0A=0A> Storage configuration file. In y=
our case it should be=0AHP_Ultrium not=0A=0A> the physical address. Device=
Names such as changer0, tape0 and=0A=0A> 4:0:5:1 are only specified in the=
Storage configuration.=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> Spend some time loo=
king at the example configs and read the=0A=0A> documentation and you=92ll =
probably have much better luck.=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =
=0A=0A> ___________________________________________=
___________________________=0A=0A> =0A=0A> From: spouynt < at > ya... [mailto:s=
pouynt < at > ya...] =0A=0A> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:03 AM=0A=0A> To: =
Robert Nelson=0A=0A> Cc: bacula-users < at > li...=0A=0A> Subject:=
Re : [Bacula-users] ***************URGENT************Need=0A=0A> Help!****=
***********=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> Hi all !=0A=0A> this is=
my file def conf of the storage deamon=0A=0A> =0A=0A> Storage=0A{ =
=0A# definition of myself=0A=0A> Name =3D ilemma009-sd=
=0A=0A> SDPort =3D=0A9103 #=0ADirector's port =0A=
=0A> WorkingDirectory =3D "C:\\Documents and Settings\\All=0AUsers\=0A=0A=
\Application Data\\Bacula\\Work"=0A=0A> Pid Directory =3D "C:\\Document=
s and Settings\\All=0AUsers\\Application=0A=0A> Data\\Bacula\\Work"=0A=0A> =
Maximum Concurrent Jobs =3D 20=0A=0A> =0A=0A> }=0A=0A> =0A=0A> #=0A=0A> #=
List Directors who are permitted to contact Storage daemon=0A=0A> #=0A=0A>=
Director {=0A=0A> Name =3D ilemma009-dir=0A=0A> Password =3D "xxxxxxx"=
=0A=0A> }=0A=0A> =0A=0A> #=0A=0A> # Restricted Director, used by tray-monit=
or to get the=0A=0A> # status of the storage daemon=0A=0A> #=0A=0A> Direc=
tor {=0A=0A> Name =3D ilemma009-mon=0A=0A> Password =3D "xxxxxx"=0A=0A>=
Monitor =3D yes=0A=0A> }=0A=0A> =0A=0A> Device {=0A=0A> Name =3D=0A"HP=
_Ultrium" # =0A=0A> Media Type =3D DDS-4=0A=0A> Archive Device =
=3D Tape0 #Tape0=0A=0A> AutomaticMount =3D=0Ayes; =0A# w=
hen device opened, read it=0A=0A> AlwaysOpen =3D yes;=0A=0A> RemovableM=
edia =3D yes;=0A=0A> RandomAccess =3D no;=0A=0A> RequiresMount =3D yes=
=0A=0A> Changer Command =3D "mtx-changer %c %o %S %a %d"=0A=0A> Changer=
Device =3D 4:0:5:1 =0A#Changer0 #"4:0:5:1" #4:0:5:1=0A=0A> doesn't =
work !!=0A=0A> AutoChanger =3D yes=0A=0A> Alert Command =3D "tapeinfo -=
f %c | findstr TapeAlert"=0A=0A> }=0A=0A> =0A=0A> Messages {=0A=0A> Name =
=3D Standard=0A=0A> director =3D ilemma009-dir =3D all=0A=0A> }=0A=0A> =
=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> My director.conf file :=0A=0A> =0A=0A> Director=0A{=
#=0Adefine myself=0A=0A> Name =3D ilemma009-d=
ir=0A=0A> DIRport =3D=0A9101 #=0Awhere we listen for UA co=
nnections=0A=0A> QueryFile =3D "C:\\Program=0AFiles\\Bacula\\bin\\query.s=
ql"=0A=0A> WorkingDirectory =3D "C:\\Documents and Settings\\All=0AUsers\=
=0A=0A> \Application Data\\Bacula\\Work"=0A=0A> PidDirectory =3D "C:\\Doc=
uments and Settings\\All=0AUsers\\Application=0A=0A> Data\\Bacula\\Work"=0A=
=0A> Maximum Concurrent Jobs =3D 11=0A=0A> Password =3D=0A"xxxxxxx" =
# Console=0Apassword=0A=0A> Messages =3D Daemon=0A=0A> }=0A=0A> =0A=
=0A> =0A=0A> # Definition of DDS tape storage device=0A=0A> Storage {=0A=0A=
Name =3D DDS-4 =0A=0A> # Do not use "localhost" here=0A=0A> Addre=
ss =3D=0AILEMMA009 #=0AN.B. Use a fully qualified name=0A=0A=
here=0A=0A> SDPort =3D 9103=0A=0A> Password =3D=0A"xxxxxxxx" =
#=0Apassword for Storage daemon=0A=0A> Device =3D=0A4:0:5:1 =
#=0Amust be same as Device in=0A=0A> Storage daemon=0A=0A> Media=
Type =3D=0ADDS-4 #=0Amust be same as MediaType in=0A=0A> =
Storage daemon=0A=0A> Autochanger =3D yes =0A# enable fo=
r autochanger device=0A=0A> }=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> what bacula say every =
day :=0A=0A> =0A=0A> ilemma009-sd Version: 2.0.3 (06 March 2007) Linux Cros=
s-compile Win32=0A=0A> Daemon started 15-Mar-07 10:01, 0 Jobs run since sta=
rted.=0A=0A> Heap: bytes=3D13,542 max_bytes=3D13,687 bufs=3D57 max_bufs=3D=
58=0A=0A> =0A=0A> Running Jobs:=0A=0A> No Jobs running.=0A=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=
=0A=0A> =0A=0A> Jobs waiting to reserve a drive:=0A=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A>=
=0A=0A> Terminated Jobs:=0A=0A> JobId Level Files Bytes =0AStat=
us Finished Name=0A=0A=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A> 5 Full 0 =0A0 Error 09-Mar-0=
7 23:10=0A=0A> BackupCatalog=0A=0A> 6 Full 0 =0A0 E=
rror 10-Mar-07 23:05 ilemma12=0A=0A> 7 Full 0 =0A0=
Error 10-Mar-07 23:05 ilemma122=0A=0A> 8 Full 0 =
=0A0 Error 10-Mar-07 23:10=0A=0A> BackupCatalog=0A=0A> =0A12 Full=
0 =0A0 Error 12-Mar-07 23:05 ilemma12=0A=0A> =0A13=
Full 0 =0A0 Error 12-Mar-07 23:05 ilemma122=0A=0A> =
=0A14 Full 0 =0A0 Error 12-Mar-07 23:10=0A=0A> Back=
upCatalog=0A=0A> =0A15 Full 0 =0A0 Error 13-Mar-07=
23:05 ilemma12=0A=0A> =0A16 Full 0 =0A0 Error 13-=
Mar-07 23:05 ilemma122=0A=0A> =0A17 Full 0 =0A0 Error=
13-Mar-07 23:10=0A=0A> BackupCatalog=0A=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A> =0A=0A>=
Device status:=0A=0A> Device "HP_Ultrium" is not open or does not exist.=
=0A=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A> =0A=0A> In Use Volume status:=0A=0A> =3D=3D=3D=
=3D=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> ----- Message d'origine ----=0A=
=0A> De : Robert Nelson <robertn < at > th...>=0A=0A> =C0 : spouynt < at > yaho=
o.fr; bacula-users < at > li...=0A=0A> Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi, 15 Mar=
s 2007, 1h53mn 19s=0A=0A> Objet : RE: [Bacula-users] ***************URGENT*=
***********Need Help!=0A=0A> ***************=0A=0A> =0A=0A> Which part of t=
his information from the Readme.txt file did you not=0A=0A> understand?=0A=
=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> Storage Device Names=0A=0A> =0A=0A> ---------=
-----------=0A=0A> =0A=0A> There is a utility installed called scsilist.exe=
which displays the=0A=0A> installed =0A=0A> =0A=0A> devices, their physica=
l address and their device name. A link=0Ato it=0A=0A> is =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =
created in the Bacula menu when the Storage service is installed.=0A=0A> =
=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> Changer and Tape device names in Windows are Chang=
er0, Changer1, etc=0A=0A> and =0A=0A> =0A=0A> Tape0, Tape1, etc. If there =
isn't a device driver loaded for=0Athe=0A=0A> Changer =0A=0A> =0A=0A> then =
you need to use the address <Port>:<Bus>:<Target>:<Lun>. Port=0Ais=0A=0A> =
the =0A=0A> =0A=0A> SCSI Adapter Number, Bus is the Bus Number on the adapt=
er (usually 0=0A=0A> since =0A=0A> =0A=0A> most adapters only have one bus)=
, Target is the device's Target Device=0A=0A> ID, =0A=0A> =0A=0A> Lun is th=
e Logical Unit Number.=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> You must specify Dev=
iceType =3D tape in the Device resource in bacula-=0A=0A> sd.conf =0A=0A> =
=0A=0A> since auto detection of device type doesn't work at the present tim=
e.=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=
=0A> ______________________________________________________________________=
=0A=0A> =0A=0A> From:bacula-users-bounces < at > li... [mailto:bac=
ula-users-=0A=0A> bounces < at > li...] On Behalf Of spouynt < at > yahoo=
.fr=0A=0A> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:37 AM=0A=0A> To: bacula-users < at > lis=
ts.sourceforge.net=0A=0A> Subject: [Bacula-users] ***************URGENT****=
********Need Help!=0A=0A> ***************=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =
=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> Hi all,=0A=0A> =0A=0A> In my Bacu=
la Server I have this list of devices given by bacula's=0A=0A> "device list=
"=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A>=0ADevice =
Type=0A=0A> Physical Name=0A=0A>=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A> =3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A> HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GSA-H21L =0A=
CDRom 0:0:0:0 CdRom0=0A=0A> HP Ultrium=0A1-SCSI P53W =
=0ATape 4:0:5:0=0A=0A> Tape0=0A=0A> HP 1x8 autoloader 1.50=
=0AChanger 4:0:5:1=0A=0A> DY5402J FCM024K =0A1.0 =
CDRom 5:0:0:0=0A=0A> =0A=0A> Press any key to continue=0A=0A>=
=0A=0A> I need to specify my "Archive Device =3D " and my "Changer=0ADevic=
e =3D" in=0A=0A> the bacula's configuration file bacula-sd .conf !!=0A=
=0A> The problem is : under windows I have no idea about how the system=0A=
=0A> names the HP Ultrium nor the HP autoloader.=0A=0A> =0A=0A> is there an=
y one who tried the experience under windows and can help=0A=0A> me ??=0A=
=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> Nawfel=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A>=
=0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =0A=0A> =
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