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Hello,

the company I was working for has been a Bacula customer for some years and went through many iterations with the Bacula developer themselves to fix and change the Enterprise Edition behaviour when we moved away from the Community Version. Their support was awesome.

Now I've changed job and I've been recently accepted as Bacula co-mantainer in Fedora. I've given a spin to the current Bacula packages in rawhide and rebuilt them for RHEL 5/6 and Fedora 16.
So far, compared to the last packages in Fedora (5.0.3) this is what is implemented:

- Nagios plugin.
- Removal of bwxconsole, gnome-console and tray-monitor.
- Removal of sqlite2.
- Added html docs.
- Reduced the number of patches.
- Made "bat" compile only on platforms that provide QT >= 4.6.2 (this and systemd are the "ifs" for building on all releases).
- Enablement of bpipe-fd.so.
- Converged all the storage backends thanks to the work introduced in 5.2.
- Fix some file layout and dependency by moving files between packages.
- POSIX.1e capabilities.
- Enablement of libtool.

Right now I'm still doing some cleanup. The next things I would like to implement are:

- QT tray monitor packaging.
- Additional cleanup (i.e. the nagios plugin needs only a library, not all bacula-common files, commands and directories).
- Provide a simple but still secure configuration by default.
- Fix all the logging by putting /var/log/bacula where appropriate.

I'm hosting the repository at:

http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/

The following architectures are supported:

RHEL5/ppc
RHEL5/x86_64
RHEL5/i386
RHEL6/ppc64
RHEL6/x86_64
RHEL6/i386
Fedora-16/i386
Fedora-16/x86_64

I'm happy to address all the package issues people might encounter and I'm available to ideas or constructive criticism regarding choices or features missing.
When I will get enough feedback that the approach used inside the package is right I will try to see if some patches could be integrated in the base code by pushing them to the bacula-devel mailing list.

Thanks & regards,
--Simone



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You're welcome!

I'm updating right now RHEL 6 packages and I've added RHEL 4 packages.

Let me know if you have any issue.

Regards,
--Simone





On 7 December 2011 14:48, Rodrigo Renie Braga <rodrigorenie < at > gmail.com ([email]rodrigorenie < at > gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
This is AWESOME, thank you very much!

2011/12/6 Simone Caronni <negativo17 < at > gmail.com ([email]negativo17 < at > gmail.com[/email])>
Hello,

the company I was working for has been a Bacula customer for some years and went through many iterations with the Bacula developer themselves to fix and change the Enterprise Edition behaviour when we moved away from the Community Version. Their support was awesome.

Now I've changed job and I've been recently accepted as Bacula co-mantainer in Fedora. I've given a spin to the current Bacula packages in rawhide and rebuilt them for RHEL 5/6 and Fedora 16.
So far, compared to the last packages in Fedora (5.0.3) this is what is implemented:

- Nagios plugin.
- Removal of bwxconsole, gnome-console and tray-monitor.
- Removal of sqlite2.
- Added html docs.
- Reduced the number of patches.
- Made "bat" compile only on platforms that provide QT >= 4.6.2 (this and systemd are the "ifs" for building on all releases).
- Enablement of bpipe-fd.so.
- Converged all the storage backends thanks to the work introduced in 5.2.
- Fix some file layout and dependency by moving files between packages.
- POSIX.1e capabilities.
- Enablement of libtool.

Right now I'm still doing some cleanup. The next things I would like to implement are:

- QT tray monitor packaging.
- Additional cleanup (i.e. the nagios plugin needs only a library, not all bacula-common files, commands and directories).
- Provide a simple but still secure configuration by default.
- Fix all the logging by putting /var/log/bacula where appropriate.

I'm hosting the repository at:

http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/

The following architectures are supported:

RHEL5/ppc
RHEL5/x86_64
RHEL5/i386
RHEL6/ppc64
RHEL6/x86_64
RHEL6/i386
Fedora-16/i386
Fedora-16/x86_64

I'm happy to address all the package issues people might encounter and I'm available to ideas or constructive criticism regarding choices or features missing.
When I will get enough feedback that the approach used inside the package is right I will try to see if some patches could be integrated in the base code by pushing them to the bacula-devel mailing list.

Thanks & regards,
--Simone



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On 06.12.2011 18:06, Simone Caronni wrote:
Hello,

the company I was working for has been a Bacula customer for some
years and went through many iterations with the Bacula developer
themselves to fix and change the Enterprise Edition behaviour when we
moved away from the Community Version. Their support was awesome.

Now I've changed job and I've been recently accepted as Bacula
co-mantainer in Fedora. I've given a spin to the current Bacula
packages in rawhide and rebuilt them for RHEL 5/6 and Fedora 16.
So far, compared to the last packages in Fedora (5.0.3) this is what
is implemented:

- Nagios plugin.
- Removal of bwxconsole, gnome-console and tray-monitor.
- Removal of sqlite2.
- Added html docs.
- Reduced the number of patches.
- Made "bat" compile only on platforms that provide QT >= 4.6.2 (this
and systemd are the "ifs" for building on all releases).
- Enablement of bpipe-fd.so.
- Converged all the storage backends thanks to the work introduced in 5.2.
- Fix some file layout and dependency by moving files between packages.
- POSIX.1e capabilities.
- Enablement of libtool.

Right now I'm still doing some cleanup. The next things I would like
to implement are:

- QT tray monitor packaging.
- Additional cleanup (i.e. the nagios plugin needs only a library, not
all bacula-common files, commands and directories).
- Provide a simple but still secure configuration by default.
- Fix all the logging by putting /var/log/bacula where appropriate.

I'm hosting the repository at:

http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/

The following architectures are supported:

RHEL5/ppc
RHEL5/x86_64
RHEL5/i386
RHEL6/ppc64
RHEL6/x86_64
RHEL6/i386
Fedora-16/i386
Fedora-16/x86_64

I'm happy to address all the package issues people might encounter and
I'm available to ideas or constructive criticism regarding choices or
features missing.
When I will get enough feedback that the approach used inside the
package is right I will try to see if some patches could be integrated
in the base code by pushing them to the bacula-devel mailing list.

Thanks & regards,
--Simone

Hi Simone!

First of all, thank you for the repository!

I'm trying to use epel-5 repository on Centos 5.2, but I get this error:
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/epel-5/i386/repodata/2472fc8e3db92dc60426193ee172a9e6c7c0d6619f980d1ed5f16d79cc10b48a-primary.sqlite.gz:
[Errno -3] Error performing checksum

I am not an über yum master, but googling about it turned out something
about the checksum algorithm. Is there something I can do in my server?

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I'm trying to use epel-5 repository on Centos 5.2, but I get this error:
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/epel-5/i386/repodata/2472fc8e3db92dc60426193ee172a9e6c7c0d6619f980d1ed5f16d79cc10b48a-primary.sqlite.gz:
[Errno -3] Error performing checksum

I am not an über yum master, but googling about it turned out something
about the checksum algorithm. Is there something I can do in my server?

Hello,

I cannot reproduce the problem, I tested the repository and it works
for me. Repository metadata is generated automatically, so there's not
much I can do.

Have you tried issuing a "yum clean all" and retrying?

5.2 is very old and unsupported even by the 5.2.z channel upstream, I
think you might need to update to at least 5.3 to get the sha256sums
used in the "new" (from 2009 onwards) createrepo that's in RHEL:

http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS5.3
http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/yum-createrepo-hashlib-rhel5centos5-and-sha256sums/

I suggest you to upgrade to 5.7, but if you want to update yum/rpm
only just follow the first steps in the CentOS 5.3 release notes.

BTW; I made a few changes to the repository, they are in the changelogs.

Regards,
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On 14.12.2011 11:50, Simone Caronni wrote:
I'm trying to use epel-5 repository on Centos 5.2, but I get this error:
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/epel-5/i386/repodata/2472fc8e3db92dc60426193ee172a9e6c7c0d6619f980d1ed5f16d79cc10b48a-primary.sqlite.gz:
[Errno -3] Error performing checksum

I am not an über yum master, but googling about it turned out something
about the checksum algorithm. Is there something I can do in my server?
Hello,

I cannot reproduce the problem, I tested the repository and it works
for me. Repository metadata is generated automatically, so there's not
much I can do.

Have you tried issuing a "yum clean all" and retrying?

5.2 is very old and unsupported even by the 5.2.z channel upstream, I
think you might need to update to at least 5.3 to get the sha256sums
used in the "new" (from 2009 onwards) createrepo that's in RHEL:

http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS5.3
http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/yum-createrepo-hashlib-rhel5centos5-and-sha256sums/

I suggest you to upgrade to 5.7, but if you want to update yum/rpm
only just follow the first steps in the CentOS 5.3 release notes.

BTW; I made a few changes to the repository, they are in the changelogs.

Regards,
--Simone

I installed python-hashlib, but now I get some error about compression.

I just downloaded the individual packages and installed them that way.
Additionally I had to download fedora-usermgmt-* from elsewhere.

Thanks anyway!

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On 06/12/11 17:06, Simone Caronni wrote:


I'm hosting the repository at:

http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/

I have no permission to
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/RPM-GPG-KEY-slaanesh so I
can't install the packages.

Could you please correct it.

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Fixed, sorry.

You can anyway pass --disablegpg to yum to avoid the key checking.

Regards,
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On 14 December 2011 16:27, Erik P. Olsen <epodata < at > gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/12/11 17:06, Simone Caronni wrote:


I'm hosting the repository at:

http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/


I have no permission to
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/slaanesh/bacula/RPM-GPG-KEY-slaanesh so
I can't install the packages.

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I'm happy to address all the package issues people might encounter and
I'm available to ideas or constructive criticism regarding choices or
features missing.
When I will get enough feedback that the approach used inside the
package is right I will try to see if some patches could be integrated
in the base code by pushing them to the bacula-devel mailing list.

Simone,
Thanks for doing this and one question, why the dependency on fedora-usermgmt?
First I have seen of bacula packages needing it so I find it hard to believe
Its genuinely important?

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Hello,

I've updated the package on top of what is currently in Fedora.

In there we have this post scriptlet:

%pre common
/usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r bacula &>/dev/null || :
/usr/sbin/fedora-useradd 33 -r -s /sbin/nologin -d /var/spool/bacula -M \
-c 'Bacula Backup System' -g bacula bacula &>/dev/null || :

It is used to create predictable user / group assignment + some other
features like logging, etc.

It is not a requirement but a recommendation inside the Fedora
packaging guidelines:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/UserCreation
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageUserCreation

The package itself is in Fedora and Epel as well, so adding Bacula
should not be a problem:

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1716

I could try to remove that and put standard useradd / userdel
commands, but I need to assess the change with the other Bacula
mantainers and good reasons to do so.
Is there any particular requirement on why you would like to avoid
using fedora-usermgmt?

Thanks,
--Simone


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I'm happy to address all the package issues people might encounter and
I'm available to ideas or constructive criticism regarding choices or
features missing.
When I will get enough feedback that the approach used inside the
package is right I will try to see if some patches could be integrated
in the base code by pushing them to the bacula-devel mailing list.

Simone,
Thanks for doing this and one question, why the dependency on fedora-usermgmt?
First I have seen of bacula packages needing it so I find it hard to believe
Its genuinely important?

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It is not a requirement but a recommendation inside the Fedora
packaging guidelines:

Right:) Not EL requirements.

I could try to remove that and put standard useradd / userdel
commands, but I need to assess the change with the other Bacula
mantainers and good reasons to do so.
Is there any particular requirement on why you would like to avoid
using fedora-usermgmt?

Mainly for the reason that as an EL shop, its a tough sale to 'suggest'
as we haven't ever used those packages, now we should. I'd be pretty
surprised if any el shop uses any fedora packages even if it is only
wrappers like these.

Anyway, thanks again!
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Op 20111215 om 16:40 schreef Joseph L. Casale:
It is not a requirement but a recommendation inside the Fedora
packaging guidelines:

Right:) Not EL requirements.

I could try to remove that and put standard useradd / userdel
commands, but I need to assess the change with the other Bacula
mantainers and good reasons to do so.
Is there any particular requirement on why you would like to avoid
using fedora-usermgmt?

Mainly for the reason that as an EL shop, its a tough sale to 'suggest'
as we haven't ever used those packages, now we should. I'd be pretty
surprised if any el shop uses any fedora packages even if it is only
wrappers like these.

We are talking about
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r bacula &>/dev/null || :
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-useradd 33 -r -s /sbin/nologin -d /var/spool/bacula -M \
} } -c 'Bacula Backup System' -g bacula bacula &>/dev/null || :
} }
} } It is used to create predictable user / group assignment + some other
} } features like logging, etc.

I'm sure of it is a pratical joke or a time bomb.
The information I miss, is where id 33 is reserved / claimed / registered.

Any package could do
/usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r anotherpackagename &>/dev/null || :


So at which central place are user id and group ids
for packages documented?


Groeten
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Hello,

what do you mean "it is a pratical joke or a time bomb"?

In the links I've pasted there's also the Fedora "user registry" for
uids/gids, it is at:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageUserRegistry

Remember this is a Fedora package and not a package for everyone, so
it follows those guidelines.
I will come back here in the next days if I'm allowed to remove the
fedora-usermgmt requirements in the package.

Regards,
--Simone


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Op 20111215 om 16:40 schreef Joseph L. Casale:
It is not a requirement but a recommendation inside the Fedora
packaging guidelines:

Right:) Not EL requirements.

I could try to remove that and put standard useradd / userdel
commands, but I need to assess the change with the other Bacula
mantainers and good reasons to do so.
Is there any particular requirement on why you would like to avoid
using fedora-usermgmt?

Mainly for the reason that as an EL shop, its a tough sale to 'suggest'
as we haven't ever used those packages, now we should. I'd be pretty
surprised if any el shop uses any fedora packages even if it is only
wrappers like these.

We are talking about
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r bacula &>/dev/null || :
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-useradd  33 -r -s /sbin/nologin -d /var/spool/bacula -M \
} }         -c 'Bacula Backup System' -g bacula bacula &>/dev/null || :
} }
} } It is used to create predictable user / group assignment + some other
} } features like logging, etc.

I'm sure of it is a pratical joke or a time bomb.
The information I miss, is where id 33 is reserved / claimed / registered.

Any package could do
 /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r anotherpackagename &>/dev/null || :


So at which central place are user id and group ids
for packages documented?


Groeten
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Sorry, those are the basis for fedora-usermgmt generation, the static
uids associated with services can be found inside the "setup" package
on any system.

i.e. on my Fedora system:

[slaanesh < at > 3zpc0560 ~]$ rpm -qd setup
/usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/COPYING
/usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/uidgid
[slaanesh < at > 3zpc0560 ~]$ cat /usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/uidgid | grep bacula
bacula 133 133 /var/spool/bacula /sbin/nologin bacula

Regards,
--Simone


On 19 December 2011 09:29, Simone Caronni <negativo17 < at > gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

what do you mean "it is a pratical joke or a time bomb"?

In the links I've pasted there's also the Fedora "user registry" for
uids/gids, it is at:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageUserRegistry

Remember this is a Fedora package and not a package for everyone, so
it follows those guidelines.
I will come back here in the next days if I'm allowed to remove the
fedora-usermgmt requirements in the package.

Regards,
--Simone


On 17 December 2011 16:10, Geert Stappers <Geert.Stappers < at > vanadgroup.com> wrote:
Op 20111215 om 16:40 schreef Joseph L. Casale:
It is not a requirement but a recommendation inside the Fedora
packaging guidelines:

Right:) Not EL requirements.

I could try to remove that and put standard useradd / userdel
commands, but I need to assess the change with the other Bacula
mantainers and good reasons to do so.
Is there any particular requirement on why you would like to avoid
using fedora-usermgmt?

Mainly for the reason that as an EL shop, its a tough sale to 'suggest'
as we haven't ever used those packages, now we should. I'd be pretty
surprised if any el shop uses any fedora packages even if it is only
wrappers like these.

We are talking about
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r bacula &>/dev/null || :
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-useradd  33 -r -s /sbin/nologin -d /var/spool/bacula -M \
} }         -c 'Bacula Backup System' -g bacula bacula &>/dev/null || :
} }
} } It is used to create predictable user / group assignment + some other
} } features like logging, etc.

I'm sure of it is a pratical joke or a time bomb.
The information I miss, is where id 33 is reserved / claimed / registered.

Any package could do
 /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r anotherpackagename &>/dev/null || :


So at which central place are user id and group ids
for packages documented?


Groeten
Geert Stappers
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I'm probably confused, but why is the rpm adding user/group 33, rather than
133?

__Martin



On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:56:15 +0100, Simone Caronni said:

Sorry, those are the basis for fedora-usermgmt generation, the static
uids associated with services can be found inside the "setup" package
on any system.

i.e. on my Fedora system:

[slaanesh < at > 3zpc0560 ~]$ rpm -qd setup
/usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/COPYING
/usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/uidgid
[slaanesh < at > 3zpc0560 ~]$ cat /usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/uidgid | grep bacula
bacula 133 133 /var/spool/bacula /sbin/nologin bacula

Regards,
--Simone


On 19 December 2011 09:29, Simone Caronni <negativo17 < at > gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

what do you mean "it is a pratical joke or a time bomb"?

In the links I've pasted there's also the Fedora "user registry" for
uids/gids, it is at:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageUserRegistry

Remember this is a Fedora package and not a package for everyone, so
it follows those guidelines.
I will come back here in the next days if I'm allowed to remove the
fedora-usermgmt requirements in the package.

Regards,
--Simone


On 17 December 2011 16:10, Geert Stappers <Geert.Stappers < at > vanadgroup.com> wrote:
Op 20111215 om 16:40 schreef Joseph L. Casale:
It is not a requirement but a recommendation inside the Fedora
packaging guidelines:

Right:) Not EL requirements.

I could try to remove that and put standard useradd / userdel
commands, but I need to assess the change with the other Bacula
mantainers and good reasons to do so.
Is there any particular requirement on why you would like to avoid
using fedora-usermgmt?

Mainly for the reason that as an EL shop, its a tough sale to 'suggest'
as we haven't ever used those packages, now we should. I'd be pretty
surprised if any el shop uses any fedora packages even if it is only
wrappers like these.

We are talking about
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r bacula &>/dev/null || :
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-useradd  33 -r -s /sbin/nologin -d /var/spool/bacula -M \
} }         -c 'Bacula Backup System' -g bacula bacula &>/dev/null || :
} }
} } It is used to create predictable user / group assignment + some other
} } features like logging, etc.

I'm sure of it is a pratical joke or a time bomb.
The information I miss, is where id 33 is reserved / claimed / registered.

Any package could do
 /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r anotherpackagename &>/dev/null || :


So at which central place are user id and group ids
for packages documented?


Groeten
Geert Stappers
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Hello,
fedora-usermgmt adds 33 + the "baseuid" defined in his config files, the latest RPM without it uses 133 as a static uid.
Regards,
--Simone On Dec 20, 2011 8:53 PM, "Martin Simmons" <martin < at > lispworks.com ([email]martin < at > lispworks.com[/email])> wrote: I'm probably confused, but why is the rpm adding user/group 33, rather than
133?

__Martin



On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:56:15 +0100, Simone Caronni said:

Sorry, those are the basis for fedora-usermgmt generation, the static
uids associated with services can be found inside the "setup" package
on any system.

i.e. on my Fedora system:

[slaanesh < at > 3zpc0560 ~]$ rpm -qd setup
/usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/COPYING
/usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/uidgid
[slaanesh < at > 3zpc0560 ~]$ cat /usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.36/uidgid | grep bacula
bacula        133     133     /var/spool/bacula               /sbin/nologin   bacula

Regards,
--Simone


On 19 December 2011 09:29, Simone Caronni <negativo17 < at > gmail.com ([email]negativo17 < at > gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
Hello,

what do you mean "it is a pratical joke or a time bomb"?

In the links I've pasted there's also the Fedora "user registry" for
uids/gids, it is at:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageUserRegistry

Remember this is a Fedora package and not a package for everyone, so
it follows those guidelines.
I will come back here in the next days if I'm allowed to remove the
fedora-usermgmt requirements in the package.

Regards,
--Simone


On 17 December 2011 16:10, Geert Stappers <Geert.Stappers < at > vanadgroup.com ([email]Geert.Stappers < at > vanadgroup.com[/email])> wrote:
Op 20111215 om 16:40 schreef Joseph L. Casale:
It is not a requirement but a recommendation inside the Fedora
packaging guidelines:

Right:) Not EL requirements.

I could try to remove that and put standard useradd / userdel
commands, but I need to assess the change with the other Bacula
mantainers and good reasons to do so.
Is there any particular requirement on why you would like to avoid
using fedora-usermgmt?

Mainly for the reason that as an EL shop, its a tough sale to 'suggest'
as we haven't ever used those packages, now we should. I'd be pretty
surprised if any el shop uses any fedora packages even if it is only
wrappers like these.

We are talking about
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r bacula &>/dev/null || :
} } /usr/sbin/fedora-useradd  33 -r -s /sbin/nologin -d /var/spool/bacula -M
} }         -c 'Bacula Backup System' -g bacula bacula &>/dev/null || :
} }
} } It is used to create predictable user / group assignment + some other
} } features like logging, etc.

I'm sure of it is a pratical joke or a time bomb.
The information I miss, is where id 33 is reserved / claimed / registered.

Any package could do
 /usr/sbin/fedora-groupadd 33 -r anotherpackagename &>/dev/null || :


So at which central place are user id and group ids
for packages documented?


Groeten
Geert Stappers
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