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Hi,

So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability. We're not going to be spending much money on upgraded
hardware either, so an in-place upgrade is the most likely. Thanks in
advance for any opinions/observations.


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On 3/10/10 11:16 AM, Eugene Vilensky wrote:
So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability.

At this very moment 7.5sp2 has the most current OS support (It's the first one out the door
that supports Windows 2008 R2). 7.6sp1 should be along in a little bit, and it too will
support Windows 2008 R2. I suspect that 7.4sp5 is close enough to EOSL that it won't be
updated (or if I read between the lines of what I'm told by support -- it can't be updated) to
support 2008 R2.


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On 10 March 2010 18:51, Francis Swasey <Frank.Swasey < at > uvm.edu> wrote:

On 3/10/10 11:16 AM, Eugene Vilensky wrote:
So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability.

At this very moment 7.5sp2 has the most current OS support (It's the first
one out the door
that supports Windows 2008 R2). 7.6sp1 should be along in a little bit,
and it too will
support Windows 2008 R2. I suspect that 7.4sp5 is close enough to EOSL
that it won't be
updated (or if I read between the lines of what I'm told by support -- it
can't be updated) to

support 2008 R2.
At the mo I would agree with the above.. Anything between 7.3 and 7.5.0 is
worth skipping, with 7.5.1 some good (stable) features were added. 7.5.2
should bring in more stability - having used 7.5.1 for a while now I can say
it is fairly stable, so SP2 should be even bette. 7.6 is still early in life
so better waiting for 7.6 SP2 and later in my opinion.


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I have to agree. 7.4.1 was extremely painful - took months to get
fixed.

Once 7.4.5.x came out, that's been pretty stable. Upgraded a couple of
weeks ago to 7.5.1.8, and that's been fairly stable. Make sure you get
the latest patches for it, as 7.5.1 had some issues.

7.5.2 is on the radar soon, as we need the 2008 R2 compatibility.

We still have one server on 7.2.2, and will be upgrading that one in a
few weeks to either 7.5.1.8 or 7.5.2.

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On 10 March 2010 18:51, Francis Swasey <Frank.Swasey < at > uvm.edu> wrote:

On 3/10/10 11:16 AM, Eugene Vilensky wrote:
So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability.

At this very moment 7.5sp2 has the most current OS support (It's the
first
one out the door
that supports Windows 2008 R2). 7.6sp1 should be along in a little
bit,
and it too will
support Windows 2008 R2. I suspect that 7.4sp5 is close enough to
EOSL
that it won't be
updated (or if I read between the lines of what I'm told by support --
it
can't be updated) to

support 2008 R2.
At the mo I would agree with the above.. Anything between 7.3 and 7.5.0
is
worth skipping, with 7.5.1 some good (stable) features were added. 7.5.2
should bring in more stability - having used 7.5.1 for a while now I can
say
it is fairly stable, so SP2 should be even bette. 7.6 is still early in
life
so better waiting for 7.6 SP2 and later in my opinion.


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In regard to: Re: [Networker] 7.2 upgrades..., Browning, David said (at...:

I have to agree. 7.4.1 was extremely painful - took months to get
fixed.

Once 7.4.5.x came out, that's been pretty stable.

We had roughly the opposite experience. We went from 7.2.2 to 7.4.2,
and 7.4.2 was very good in our environment. EMC had us upgrade to 7.4.4
during the process of debugging an issue (which turns out is a known issue
with all 7.4/7.5/7.6) and 7.4.4 and later 7.4.5 were a lot worse for us
than 7.4.2 was. We tried multiple 7.4.4.x updates, but to be fair we
never tried any of the 7.4.5.x updates.

We've now gone to 7.5.2, and with a few days experience with that, I can
say that it mostly seems better than 7.4.5. We haven't had a single hung
backup since going to 7.5.2, we were getting them several nights a week
with 7.4.5.

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Eugene Vilensky wrote:
Hi,

So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability. We're not going to be spending much money on upgraded
hardware either, so an in-place upgrade is the most likely. Thanks in
advance for any opinions/observations.

Ever since we started using DiskBackup, we were unable to get a
stable version. Upgrading to 7.2.2 Jumbo 11, 7.3.4, 7.4.3, 7.4.4,
7.4.4.1, 7.4.5, 7.4.5.1 and 7.5.1.7 was always done due to some bug
which we needed to fix. I was not happy with any of them. I am about to
install 7.5.2 soon, again trying to fix some performance problem we
have. I am not going to 7.6 any time soon, unless there is a critical
feature I need and even then I will probably be waiting for 7.6.1. So,
my bets are on 7.5.2 (but I cannot tell that I know it is stable).



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We went from 7.1.3 + AlphaStor to 7.4.4 and no AlphaStor *cheer*. The version choice was made over a year ago, based on Stan's experience with it on Sun hardware.

I've been overall pleased with the new version, in particular how much easier library management is (compared to AlphaStor anyway). I'm still poking and prodding at the GUI to see how far I can take it, and how to document procedures for our Ops group.

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final eval before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead of 7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back something similar to the old nwadmin.

Most of our troubles come from old Windows boxes, even before the upgrade (W2K Server and AdvServer), though we've now had one incident where the Adv_file devices started unmounting but would not re-mount (said it was not in media db!). Bouncing the software fixed that, it had been running for almost a month.

Yaron, can you give details regarding what your DBO issues are? I've not seen any throughput issues (actually that's been better, now that the Server itself also went from E450 to T2000). However, our disk array is 1 Gig FC so may not be able to help.

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Hi,

So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability. We're not going to be spending much money on upgraded
hardware either, so an in-place upgrade is the most likely. Thanks in
advance for any opinions/observations.


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Hi Tim,

On 12/03/2010, at 16:55 , tkimball wrote:

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final eval before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead of 7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back something similar to the old nwadmin.

You know you can run a 7.6 NMC server against a 7.4.x NetWorker server? We have customers doing this already.

Cheers,

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Yep, I know. NMC Server is on one of our monitoring systems, rather than the NW server, so I'm prepared to do the upgrade.

As I said, it was bad timing. 7.6 came out literally days before I had the OK on upgrade with the planned 7.4.4 setup. As nice as it looks, I have no interest in being a '0-day' user with anything when so much else was changing (chassis swap, including 35+TB of VxVM migration [~120 LUNs], robot moved, AlphaStor was shutdown for good).

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Hi Tim,

On 12/03/2010, at 16:55 , tkimball wrote:

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final eval before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead of 7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back something similar to the old nwadmin.

You know you can run a 7.6 NMC server against a 7.4.x NetWorker server? We have customers doing this already.

Cheers,

Preston.


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I am running NMC 7.6 and my NetWorker server is 7.4.5 -- In the monitoring window, the sessions
pane will often get confused about whether a particular session is a save job or a clone job --
So, there are times when I'd love to look at how a save job is doing, but I can't because it
doesn't display the correct values on the "clone" session panel. A little annoying, but then
it wasn't built to be (ab)used this way.

Frank

On 3/12/10 12:58 AM, Preston de Guise wrote:
Hi Tim,

On 12/03/2010, at 16:55 , tkimball wrote:

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final eval before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead of 7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back something similar to the old nwadmin.

You know you can run a 7.6 NMC server against a 7.4.x NetWorker server? We have customers doing this already.


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tkimball wrote:
We went from 7.1.3 + AlphaStor to 7.4.4 and no AlphaStor *cheer*. The version choice was made over a year ago, based on Stan's experience with it on Sun hardware.

I've been overall pleased with the new version, in particular how much easier library management is (compared to AlphaStor anyway). I'm still poking and prodding at the GUI to see how far I can take it, and how to document procedures for our Ops group.

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final eval before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead of 7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back something similar to the old nwadmin.

Most of our troubles come from old Windows boxes, even before the upgrade (W2K Server and AdvServer), though we've now had one incident where the Adv_file devices started unmounting but would not re-mount (said it was not in media db!). Bouncing the software fixed that, it had been running for almost a month.

Yaron, can you give details regarding what your DBO issues are? I've not seen any throughput issues (actually that's been better, now that the Server itself also went from E450 to T2000). However, our disk array is 1 Gig FC so may not be able to help.

Our setup is AFTD which is located on a Sun X4500 (Thumper) and the
tape library is connected to a T1000. Staging from the x4500 to the
T1000 is performing poorly compared to the old setup (a Clariion AX150
which was directly connected to the T1000). I suspected that this was
related to LGTsc30475 (aka 30475nw "Cloning is slow from the local to
remote device"). I was hoping that this will be solved by 7.5.2, but
after upgrading this morning, things are quite the same.

The issues we had (on previous versions) were:

. "duplicate name; pick new name or delete old one" (on 7.2.2)
upgraded to 7.3.4

. Owner notification bug (on 7.4.3).

. LGTsc24106 (on 7.4.4). (volretent) Patched a few binaries.

. Some nsrck bug (on 7.4.5) (nsrck hang on unknown clients unrelated
to AFTD). Patched some binaries.

. "Failed to fetch the saveset(ss_t) structure for ssid" (on 7.5.1).
Moved to 7.5.1.7.


--TSK



evilensky < at > gmail.com wrote:
Hi,

So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability. We're not going to be spending much money on upgraded
hardware either, so an in-place upgrade is the most likely. Thanks in
advance for any opinions/observations.



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Yaron,
What version of Solaris are you running on the Thumper, update 8 is
significantly faster than say update 3? Do you have any SSD's in the
thunper to handle L2ARC?

What kind of performance are you getting?

Have you tried a few tests like backing up Dev Random? To see where
you're bottlenecking?

Alec

On 3/14/10, Yaron Zabary <yaron < at > aristo.tau.ac.il> wrote:
tkimball wrote:
We went from 7.1.3 + AlphaStor to 7.4.4 and no AlphaStor *cheer*. The
version choice was made over a year ago, based on Stan's experience with
it on Sun hardware.

I've been overall pleased with the new version, in particular how much
easier library management is (compared to AlphaStor anyway). I'm still
poking and prodding at the GUI to see how far I can take it, and how to
document procedures for our Ops group.

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final eval
before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead of
7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back something
similar to the old nwadmin.

Most of our troubles come from old Windows boxes, even before the upgrade
(W2K Server and AdvServer), though we've now had one incident where the
Adv_file devices started unmounting but would not re-mount (said it was
not in media db!). Bouncing the software fixed that, it had been running
for almost a month.

Yaron, can you give details regarding what your DBO issues are? I've not
seen any throughput issues (actually that's been better, now that the
Server itself also went from E450 to T2000). However, our disk array is 1
Gig FC so may not be able to help.

Our setup is AFTD which is located on a Sun X4500 (Thumper) and the
tape library is connected to a T1000. Staging from the x4500 to the
T1000 is performing poorly compared to the old setup (a Clariion AX150
which was directly connected to the T1000). I suspected that this was
related to LGTsc30475 (aka 30475nw "Cloning is slow from the local to
remote device"). I was hoping that this will be solved by 7.5.2, but
after upgrading this morning, things are quite the same.

The issues we had (on previous versions) were:

. "duplicate name; pick new name or delete old one" (on 7.2.2)
upgraded to 7.3.4

. Owner notification bug (on 7.4.3).

. LGTsc24106 (on 7.4.4). (volretent) Patched a few binaries.

. Some nsrck bug (on 7.4.5) (nsrck hang on unknown clients unrelated
to AFTD). Patched some binaries.

. "Failed to fetch the saveset(ss_t) structure for ssid" (on 7.5.1).
Moved to 7.5.1.7.


--TSK



evilensky < at > gmail.com wrote:
Hi,

So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability. We're not going to be spending much money on upgraded
hardware either, so an in-place upgrade is the most likely. Thanks in
advance for any opinions/observations.



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Anacreo wrote:
Yaron,
What version of Solaris are you running on the Thumper, update 8 is
significantly faster than say update 3?

The Thumper is U8 with recommended patches from November 2009 (kernel
is Generic_141445-09).

Do you have any SSD's in the
thunper to handle L2ARC?

No.


What kind of performance are you getting?

As I said the problem is when staging from an AFTD on the Thumper to
an LTO4 drive (with LTO3 media) on the T1000. I can get ~30MBps per
clone session. If I run a few of them (there are four drives on the
T1000), the total will be ~60MBps. Staging from an AFTD which is local
to the T1000 can do ~70MBps. The Thumper and the T1000 are both
connected via a 4 port aggregate (dladm create-aggr -d e1000g0 -d
e1000g1 -d e1000g2 -d e1000g3 1) to the same Cisco 3560 switch, so, in
theory, if I get unlucky and all sessions hit the same interface, the
network should limit me to 125MBps.


Have you tried a few tests like backing up Dev Random? To see where
you're bottlenecking?

All backups go to the Thumper and with 64 sessions I can get ~100MBps
which is OK because all clients are connected via a single 1GigE link of
the above mentioned 3560 at the campus. So, there is no performance
problem with the Thumper when doing backups. Also, zpool iostat 1 does
not show any heavy load on the pool (I cannot send some output because
there is a scrub running right now).


Feel free to make more suggestions.



Alec

On 3/14/10, Yaron Zabary <yaron < at > aristo.tau.ac.il> wrote:
tkimball wrote:
We went from 7.1.3 + AlphaStor to 7.4.4 and no AlphaStor *cheer*. The
version choice was made over a year ago, based on Stan's experience with
it on Sun hardware.

I've been overall pleased with the new version, in particular how much
easier library management is (compared to AlphaStor anyway). I'm still
poking and prodding at the GUI to see how far I can take it, and how to
document procedures for our Ops group.

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final eval
before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead of
7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back something
similar to the old nwadmin.

Most of our troubles come from old Windows boxes, even before the upgrade
(W2K Server and AdvServer), though we've now had one incident where the
Adv_file devices started unmounting but would not re-mount (said it was
not in media db!). Bouncing the software fixed that, it had been running
for almost a month.

Yaron, can you give details regarding what your DBO issues are? I've not
seen any throughput issues (actually that's been better, now that the
Server itself also went from E450 to T2000). However, our disk array is 1
Gig FC so may not be able to help.
Our setup is AFTD which is located on a Sun X4500 (Thumper) and the
tape library is connected to a T1000. Staging from the x4500 to the
T1000 is performing poorly compared to the old setup (a Clariion AX150
which was directly connected to the T1000). I suspected that this was
related to LGTsc30475 (aka 30475nw "Cloning is slow from the local to
remote device"). I was hoping that this will be solved by 7.5.2, but
after upgrading this morning, things are quite the same.

The issues we had (on previous versions) were:

. "duplicate name; pick new name or delete old one" (on 7.2.2)
upgraded to 7.3.4

. Owner notification bug (on 7.4.3).

. LGTsc24106 (on 7.4.4). (volretent) Patched a few binaries.

. Some nsrck bug (on 7.4.5) (nsrck hang on unknown clients unrelated
to AFTD). Patched some binaries.

. "Failed to fetch the saveset(ss_t) structure for ssid" (on 7.5.1).
Moved to 7.5.1.7.

--TSK



evilensky < at > gmail.com wrote:
Hi,

So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability. We're not going to be spending much money on upgraded
hardware either, so an in-place upgrade is the most likely. Thanks in
advance for any opinions/observations.


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Ok so how are you accessing the Thumper as an adv_file over NFS or as an
iSCSI LUN?

Have you been able to clock your read speed off of the Thumper through to
the T1000? If you can write through at 100MB/s can you read for at least
that speed over x number of connections - where X is the number of devices
you're trying to simultaneously clone too?

Alec

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Yaron Zabary <yaron < at > aristo.tau.ac.il>wrote:



Anacreo wrote:

Yaron,
What version of Solaris are you running on the Thumper, update 8 is
significantly faster than say update 3?


The Thumper is U8 with recommended patches from November 2009 (kernel is
Generic_141445-09).


Do you have any SSD's in the

thunper to handle L2ARC?


No.



What kind of performance are you getting?


As I said the problem is when staging from an AFTD on the Thumper to an
LTO4 drive (with LTO3 media) on the T1000. I can get ~30MBps per clone
session. If I run a few of them (there are four drives on the T1000), the
total will be ~60MBps. Staging from an AFTD which is local to the T1000 can
do ~70MBps. The Thumper and the T1000 are both connected via a 4 port
aggregate (dladm create-aggr -d e1000g0 -d e1000g1 -d e1000g2 -d e1000g3 1)
to the same Cisco 3560 switch, so, in theory, if I get unlucky and all
sessions hit the same interface, the network should limit me to 125MBps.



Have you tried a few tests like backing up Dev Random? To see where
you're bottlenecking?


All backups go to the Thumper and with 64 sessions I can get ~100MBps
which is OK because all clients are connected via a single 1GigE link of the
above mentioned 3560 at the campus. So, there is no performance problem with
the Thumper when doing backups. Also, zpool iostat 1 does not show any heavy
load on the pool (I cannot send some output because there is a scrub running
right now).


Feel free to make more suggestions.




Alec

On 3/14/10, Yaron Zabary <yaron < at > aristo.tau.ac.il> wrote:

tkimball wrote:

We went from 7.1.3 + AlphaStor to 7.4.4 and no AlphaStor *cheer*. The
version choice was made over a year ago, based on Stan's experience with
it on Sun hardware.

I've been overall pleased with the new version, in particular how much
easier library management is (compared to AlphaStor anyway). I'm still
poking and prodding at the GUI to see how far I can take it, and how to
document procedures for our Ops group.

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final
eval
before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead of
7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back
something
similar to the old nwadmin.

Most of our troubles come from old Windows boxes, even before the
upgrade
(W2K Server and AdvServer), though we've now had one incident where the
Adv_file devices started unmounting but would not re-mount (said it was
not in media db!). Bouncing the software fixed that, it had been
running
for almost a month.

Yaron, can you give details regarding what your DBO issues are? I've
not
seen any throughput issues (actually that's been better, now that the
Server itself also went from E450 to T2000). However, our disk array is
1
Gig FC so may not be able to help.

Our setup is AFTD which is located on a Sun X4500 (Thumper) and the
tape library is connected to a T1000. Staging from the x4500 to the
T1000 is performing poorly compared to the old setup (a Clariion AX150
which was directly connected to the T1000). I suspected that this was
related to LGTsc30475 (aka 30475nw "Cloning is slow from the local to
remote device"). I was hoping that this will be solved by 7.5.2, but
after upgrading this morning, things are quite the same.

The issues we had (on previous versions) were:

. "duplicate name; pick new name or delete old one" (on 7.2.2)
upgraded to 7.3.4

. Owner notification bug (on 7.4.3).

. LGTsc24106 (on 7.4.4). (volretent) Patched a few binaries.

. Some nsrck bug (on 7.4.5) (nsrck hang on unknown clients unrelated
to AFTD). Patched some binaries.

. "Failed to fetch the saveset(ss_t) structure for ssid" (on 7.5.1).
Moved to 7.5.1.7.

--TSK



evilensky < at > gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability. We're not going to be spending much money on upgraded
hardware either, so an in-place upgrade is the most likely. Thanks in
advance for any opinions/observations.


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In either case please read below, I've seen the effects of this first hand
and it is easy to see if its causing your performance degradation:

From:
http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide

Tuning ZFS Checksums

End-to-end checksumming is one of the great features of ZFS. It allows ZFS
to detect and correct many kinds of errors other products can't detect and
correct. Disabling checksum is, of course, a very bad idea. Having file
system level checksums enabled can alleviate the need to have application
level checksums enabled. In this case, using the ZFS checksum becomes a
performance enabler.

The checksums are computed asynchronously to most application processing and
should normally not be an issue. However, each pool currently has a single
thread computing the checksums (RFE below) and it's possible for that
computation to limit pool throughput. So, if disk count is very large (>>
10) or single CPU is weak (< Ghz), then this tuning might help. If a system
is close to CPU saturated, the checksum computations might become
noticeable. In those cases, do a run with checksums off to verify if
checksum calculation is a problem.

If you tune this parameter, please reference this URL in shell script or in
an /etc/system comment.

http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Tuning_ZFS_Checksums

Verify the type of checksum used:

zfs get checksum <filesystem>

Tuning is achieved dynamically by using:

zfs set checksum=off <filesystem>

And reverted:

zfs set checksum='on | fletcher2 | fletcher4 | sha256' <filesystem>

Fletcher2 checksum (the default) has been observed to consume roughly 1Ghz
of a CPU when checksumming 500 MByte per second.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Anacreo <anacreo < at > gmail.com> wrote:

Ok so how are you accessing the Thumper as an adv_file over NFS or as an
iSCSI LUN?

Have you been able to clock your read speed off of the Thumper through to
the T1000? If you can write through at 100MB/s can you read for at least
that speed over x number of connections - where X is the number of devices
you're trying to simultaneously clone too?

Alec

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Yaron Zabary <yaron < at > aristo.tau.ac.il>wrote:



Anacreo wrote:

Yaron,
What version of Solaris are you running on the Thumper, update 8 is
significantly faster than say update 3?


The Thumper is U8 with recommended patches from November 2009 (kernel is
Generic_141445-09).


Do you have any SSD's in the

thunper to handle L2ARC?


No.



What kind of performance are you getting?


As I said the problem is when staging from an AFTD on the Thumper to an
LTO4 drive (with LTO3 media) on the T1000. I can get ~30MBps per clone
session. If I run a few of them (there are four drives on the T1000), the
total will be ~60MBps. Staging from an AFTD which is local to the T1000 can
do ~70MBps. The Thumper and the T1000 are both connected via a 4 port
aggregate (dladm create-aggr -d e1000g0 -d e1000g1 -d e1000g2 -d e1000g3 1)
to the same Cisco 3560 switch, so, in theory, if I get unlucky and all
sessions hit the same interface, the network should limit me to 125MBps.



Have you tried a few tests like backing up Dev Random? To see where
you're bottlenecking?


All backups go to the Thumper and with 64 sessions I can get ~100MBps
which is OK because all clients are connected via a single 1GigE link of the
above mentioned 3560 at the campus. So, there is no performance problem with
the Thumper when doing backups. Also, zpool iostat 1 does not show any heavy
load on the pool (I cannot send some output because there is a scrub running
right now).


Feel free to make more suggestions.




Alec

On 3/14/10, Yaron Zabary <yaron < at > aristo.tau.ac.il> wrote:

tkimball wrote:

We went from 7.1.3 + AlphaStor to 7.4.4 and no AlphaStor *cheer*. The
version choice was made over a year ago, based on Stan's experience
with
it on Sun hardware.

I've been overall pleased with the new version, in particular how much
easier library management is (compared to AlphaStor anyway). I'm still
poking and prodding at the GUI to see how far I can take it, and how to
document procedures for our Ops group.

Right now my only gripe is that 7.6 came out at the wrong time (final
eval
before rollout) otherwise my NMC server would have been that instead
of
7.4.4. Now I'm waiting until at least June before getting back
something
similar to the old nwadmin.

Most of our troubles come from old Windows boxes, even before the
upgrade
(W2K Server and AdvServer), though we've now had one incident where the
Adv_file devices started unmounting but would not re-mount (said it was
not in media db!). Bouncing the software fixed that, it had been
running
for almost a month.

Yaron, can you give details regarding what your DBO issues are? I've
not
seen any throughput issues (actually that's been better, now that the
Server itself also went from E450 to T2000). However, our disk array
is 1
Gig FC so may not be able to help.

Our setup is AFTD which is located on a Sun X4500 (Thumper) and the
tape library is connected to a T1000. Staging from the x4500 to the
T1000 is performing poorly compared to the old setup (a Clariion AX150
which was directly connected to the T1000). I suspected that this was
related to LGTsc30475 (aka 30475nw "Cloning is slow from the local to
remote device"). I was hoping that this will be solved by 7.5.2, but
after upgrading this morning, things are quite the same.

The issues we had (on previous versions) were:

. "duplicate name; pick new name or delete old one" (on 7.2.2)
upgraded to 7.3.4

. Owner notification bug (on 7.4.3).

. LGTsc24106 (on 7.4.4). (volretent) Patched a few binaries.

. Some nsrck bug (on 7.4.5) (nsrck hang on unknown clients unrelated
to AFTD). Patched some binaries.

. "Failed to fetch the saveset(ss_t) structure for ssid" (on 7.5.1).
Moved to 7.5.1.7.

--TSK



evilensky < at > gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

So what's the latest word on upgrades from 7.2? Is 7.6 a viable
option or is 7.4/7.5 more "fully cooked"? We're not really looking
for features so much as support for the latest client platforms and
stability. We're not going to be spending much money on upgraded
hardware either, so an in-place upgrade is the most likely. Thanks in
advance for any opinions/observations.


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