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Hey All,

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I'm getting a bunch of ATA disk this year that I plan on using as AFDs.
One of my biggest pain spots is cloning. We clone everything from
everyday. I am considering changing my group setup from what I have
now, around 30 big groups, to 1 group for each client so that I can
utilize automatic cloning and the random accessibility of AFDs. So that
said... my questions are below...

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Is anyone doing this now in a medium sized environment(300 clients) or
have you and it didn't work well?

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Are there any known limits to the number of groups... or number of
savegrp commands that can be running at once?

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This is just kind of an earlier thinking process on this, so if you have
better suggestions for utilization AFDs I would love to hear them.

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Thanks,

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Joel=20

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Post group configuration 
We do this with all of our backups, our biggest server has over 450
clients. We have not hit any limitations yet due to number of groups or
savegrp.. Our limitations have been more due utililization of the box (
we limit ourselves to 64 simulatenous streams at one time, over 7 LTO1
drives)


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Jeffrey Leiss
Senior Infrastructure Analyst - ACS
jeff.leiss < at > nwdc.net
503.466.6540


-----Original Message-----
From: Legato NetWorker discussion [mailto:NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU]
On Behalf Of Joel Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:27 PM
To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: [Networker] group configuration

Hey All,



I'm getting a bunch of ATA disk this year that I plan on using as AFDs.
One of my biggest pain spots is cloning. We clone everything from
everyday. I am considering changing my group setup from what I have
now, around 30 big groups, to 1 group for each client so that I can
utilize automatic cloning and the random accessibility of AFDs. So that
said... my questions are below...

BTW V880/Solaris 9



Is anyone doing this now in a medium sized environment(300 clients) or
have you and it didn't work well?



Are there any known limits to the number of groups... or number of
savegrp commands that can be running at once?



This is just kind of an earlier thinking process on this, so if you have
better suggestions for utilization AFDs I would love to hear them.



Thanks,



Joel




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Post group configuration 
Hi Joel,
The AFD has a big limitation - only one read from it.
Thus if all your backups will go to AFD, and you will have one client in
each group, the cloning processes will queue up waiting for read access
to the AFD. In such cases it is advisable to define many smaller AFD
than just one large one.
Itzik

-----Original Message-----
From: Legato NetWorker discussion
[mailto:NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 22:27
To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: [Networker] group configuration

Hey All,



I'm getting a bunch of ATA disk this year that I plan on
using as AFDs.
One of my biggest pain spots is cloning. We clone everything from
everyday. I am considering changing my group setup from what I have
now, around 30 big groups, to 1 group for each client so that I can
utilize automatic cloning and the random accessibility of
AFDs. So that
said... my questions are below...

BTW V880/Solaris 9



Is anyone doing this now in a medium sized environment(300 clients) or
have you and it didn't work well?



Are there any known limits to the number of groups... or number of
savegrp commands that can be running at once?



This is just kind of an earlier thinking process on this, so
if you have
better suggestions for utilization AFDs I would love to hear them.



Thanks,



Joel




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Post group configuration 
Joel,
I'll second Itzik's comments about the one read limitation and
smaller AFDs may be the answer but you must bear in mind the total
number of devices (device count tends to rocket when you have SAN
attached devices that are shared).
Not a showstopper but just something to be aware of.

Regards
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Legato NetWorker discussion [mailto:NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU]
On Behalf Of Itzik Meirson
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:00 AM
To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: Re: [Networker] group configuration


Hi Joel,
The AFD has a big limitation - only one read from it.
Thus if all your backups will go to AFD, and you will have one client in
each group, the cloning processes will queue up waiting for read access
to the AFD. In such cases it is advisable to define many smaller AFD
than just one large one. Itzik

-----Original Message-----
From: Legato NetWorker discussion
[mailto:NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 22:27
To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: [Networker] group configuration

Hey All,



I'm getting a bunch of ATA disk this year that I plan on
using as AFDs.
One of my biggest pain spots is cloning. We clone everything from
everyday. I am considering changing my group setup from what I have
now, around 30 big groups, to 1 group for each client so that I can
utilize automatic cloning and the random accessibility of
AFDs. So that
said... my questions are below...

BTW V880/Solaris 9



Is anyone doing this now in a medium sized environment(300 clients) or

have you and it didn't work well?



Are there any known limits to the number of groups... or number of
savegrp commands that can be running at once?



This is just kind of an earlier thinking process on this, so
if you have
better suggestions for utilization AFDs I would love to hear them.



Thanks,



Joel




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Post group configuration 
Thanks for the replies!

I knew about the single read... I just hadn't thought about it in this
context yet.

So how are people configuring their AFDs? 1 big physical LUN and lots
of AFDs configured on withing directories of that LUN, or actually
configuring lots of small LUNs? BTW... do the read devices of AFDs
count as a part of the 32 allowed devices in power edition?

Thanks,

Joel



-----Original Message-----
From: Legato NetWorker discussion [mailto:NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU]
On Behalf Of Wood, R A (Bob)
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:01 AM
To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: Re: [Networker] group configuration

Joel,
I'll second Itzik's comments about the one read limitation and
smaller AFDs may be the answer but you must bear in mind the total
number of devices (device count tends to rocket when you have SAN
attached devices that are shared).
Not a showstopper but just something to be aware of.

Regards
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Legato NetWorker discussion [mailto:NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU]
On Behalf Of Itzik Meirson
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:00 AM
To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: Re: [Networker] group configuration


Hi Joel,
The AFD has a big limitation - only one read from it.
Thus if all your backups will go to AFD, and you will have one client in
each group, the cloning processes will queue up waiting for read access
to the AFD. In such cases it is advisable to define many smaller AFD
than just one large one. Itzik

-----Original Message-----
From: Legato NetWorker discussion
[mailto:NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 22:27
To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: [Networker] group configuration

Hey All,



I'm getting a bunch of ATA disk this year that I plan on
using as AFDs.
One of my biggest pain spots is cloning. We clone everything from
everyday. I am considering changing my group setup from what I have
now, around 30 big groups, to 1 group for each client so that I can
utilize automatic cloning and the random accessibility of
AFDs. So that
said... my questions are below...

BTW V880/Solaris 9



Is anyone doing this now in a medium sized environment(300 clients) or

have you and it didn't work well?



Are there any known limits to the number of groups... or number of
savegrp commands that can be running at once?



This is just kind of an earlier thinking process on this, so
if you have
better suggestions for utilization AFDs I would love to hear them.



Thanks,



Joel




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