On 13/01/2012 15:03, Rick Adamson wrote:
Hi All
I installed the TDPVE and it works untill now ok,
I managed to backup and restore Full Machine and files with the Mount
Utillity,
My Env includes 3 VC, and one proxy for now (Physical One),
but the VC plugins i installed on a 3 different VM Guests (1 for each VC),
im not using Dedupe, because i backed up direct to my DD, and im also
not using LanFree,
because i have 2 ether channels, and i dont have throughput problems.
Until today i dont have any complains beside the complicated Install
and all the Proxy nodes u need for each ESX and for all Datamover (all
the node in the TSM),
But after u done it once, u dont need to do it anymore (and beside of
the after u see the ACTLOG it makes sense with all the Selects it runs
).
Bottom line im very pleased with the solution, my VM admin can schedule
backup by him self with the VC,
and everything works.
I hope that the same solution will be also with Hiper-V,
and the will write a new Rebook e.g. TSM in Virtual ENv. -)
P.s its work also with ESXi5 .
Amos
Wanda,
In regard to VM versus physical proxy; I tried the VM approach but went
physical strictly to remove the backup footprint from the VMware host,
thus leaving them for additional VM's (plus not providing my VMW admin
the opportunity to complain). The guest VM's and host impact running
backups this way is near zero.
~Rick
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I too find the VE-book to be terminology-challenged.
1) Why does the doc show a "vstorage backup server (the proxy) " and
also a "DP for VMWare Vcenter Plug-in Server".
Is there a requirement for these to be 2 different machines? And if so
why?
2) VE supposedly takes advantage of the VMWare API to do block-level
incrementals, I get that. When you do fulls, is there any performance
improvement over the old VCB full backup? Is it still just a case of
hauling the entire vmdk file across the network?
3) VDR is able to dedup the fulls. Is VE able to do that, or is the
only dedup capability post-process on the TSM storage pool side?
4) The comments here imply you guys see the need for a physical
proxy/backup server; the doc says it can be a VM. What up wid dat?
What are the cases where you would use a VM as the proxy?
Thanks for any insight!
Wanda
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Answers in-line
Regards,
Shawn
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Some questions that we could not easily glean answer from the docs:
- I think the current vocabulary is in question. it seems to be called
a "backup server" but that confuses it with the TSM server, I think. It
used to be called a backup proxy, so I may use that word instead. It is
basically a media server.
1. What are the specs/requirements for the "vStorage/Backup Server"
that we will have to build?
- This is in there under chapter 2. Basically a physical win2008/2003
server. or a linux server, although I believe linux support (for a
backup
proxy) is brand new in 6.3. I wouldn't mess with it.
Other than that, you will need:
- at least one HBA for the incoming SAN data if you will be using the
SAN for incoming data
- at least one HBA for the outgoing SAN data (if you will be using
lan-free)
- Network connection to the vcenter servers for control.
- We are not using lan-free on the "outgoing" side so we have an
additional ethernet connection here. You may be able to replace the
"incoming" with ethernet as well, but not sure.
2. What network requirements are there? Our TSM backup servers are on
a completely different subnet then the VMWare servers. Network rules
will have to be modified.
- SAN - backup proxy needs to be zoned to all the same luns as the ESX
servers and your Lan-free tape drives/VTL if applicable
- LAN - If you are doing all the data transfer over the san, you will
still need network connections for control and the vCenter plugin
3. What, if anything, needs to be installed on the Host or Guest
systems?
- Nothing on the Guest. The Host (im assuming you mean the backup
proxy), TSM client, TSM for VE (which includes the recovery agent and
vcenter
plugin)
4. What do I need to do TSM server-wise?
- Nothing special. TSM6+ is needed for the Vcenter plugin to work
properly and the subcommand scheduling.
You will have to register the assign proxynode access as described in
the manual
5. Do I need to put up a new TSM server or can I use one already in
production? I have never done LAN-FREE and not sure where to start? My
TSM servers use fibre-channel for tape drives (shared among 7-servers).
Many moons ago I remember a sub-product called SANERGY but it wanted
exclusive control of tape drives via a mini-psuedo TSM server. We can't
afford to dedicate tape drives exclusively to such a process.
- Lan-free is a separate topic. But if you only have tape drives and no
VTL, you need to decide if you want to tie up the tape drives to these
backup processes. I decided not to, and am not using Lan-free. (for the
outgoing data) (We are backing up to a data domain over NFS) But you
will then need to have the proper LAN resources.
Thanks for the tip on "diskpart" but I am not at a point that I
understand how to apply it. I am not that familiar with VMWare and the
VMWare guys are not that familiar with TSM (other than installing on
Windows guests).
- DISKpart is run on the windows OS command line of the backup proxy.
nothing to do with VMware.
Zoltan Forray
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From: Shawn Drew<shawn.drew < at > AMERICAS.BNPPARIBAS.COM>
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I actually found the manual to be very helpful and direct. I prefer the
PDF form. I'm not a fan of the newer infocenter format.
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tsminfo/v6r3/index.jsp?topic=%2
Fcom.ibm.itsm.nav.doc%2Fr_pdf_ve.html
I set it up step-by-step as the manual describes and it is working well.
You just need to play around with it to make sure you understand the
concepts. (I.E. Data Center nodes, the way you restore using the
recovery agent by using a virtual mount, etc)
Just make sure you do the "diskpart" thing on your backup proxy. Things
should be pretty safe after you've done that. (search the PDF for
diskpart)
Regards,
Shawn
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Ken,
My VMWare guy has the most questions. Can I forward your direct email
address to him?
I too will have questions from the TSM/server side since I have never
setup anything like this. Seems like LAN-FREE is the way to configure
but I have never done anything like that, either.
Zoltan Forray
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I have install the TSM for VE v6.3 and I am interested what you would
expect to see in the 'cookbook'. What I hear discussed the most is the
architectural choices that you can make using TSM for VE, like whether
to use client-side de-dupe, LAN-free, virtual or physical data movers,
etc.
Once you figure out what you want to make, the recipe is straight
forward.
Sort of like cooking eggs, lots of different methods but it's still the
same egg and close to the same taste.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Vandeventer, Harold [BS]<
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We are also looking for that "cookbook."
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