Backup Central

This is really one for the maintainers and others who might want to
contribute code.

These days, CVS annoys me. So I've imported the rsnapshot repository to
Github:
https://github.com/DrHyde/rsnapshot

If people agree with me that Github is better, then I'll try to figure
out how to move the mailing list and close the CVS repository.

Why use Github? Mostly because I use git for everything else these
days and I've lost my CVS muscle-memory But also because being able
to commit on my laptop when I'm offline is awesome, and "pull requests"
make applying patches trivial. Git branching is also way better than on
CVS, which would let, for example, someone work on making the build
system less of a pain so we can release more often, without interfering
with anything that people are doing to improve rsnapshot's own code.

Now we just need a volunteer to slap the build system into shape

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David Cantrell
If people agree with me that Github is better, then I'll try to figure
out how to move the mailing list and close the CVS repository.

Why use Github? Mostly because I use git for everything else [...]

OK, that's why to use git, but why use the proprietary-AFAIK Github
rather than supporting our FOSS bretheren that run competing services?

Gitorious is usually good but had some cache problems recently.

Why move the list from sourceforge? Although it's not FOSS either,
you could have a git mirror at sourceforge.net -
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git - I'm no fan of
sourceforge, but why cause more unrelated disruption than needed?

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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:53 AM, MJ Ray <mjr < at > phonecoop.coop ([email]mjr < at > phonecoop.coop[/email])> wrote: David Cantrell
If people agree with me that Github is better, then I'll try to figure
out how to move the mailing list and close the CVS repository.


Why use Github? Mostly because I use git for everything else [...]

OK, that's why to use git, but why use the proprietary-AFAIK Github
rather than supporting our FOSS bretheren that run competing services?

Gitorious is usually good but had some cache problems recently.

Why move the list from sourceforge?  Although it's not FOSS either,
you could have a git mirror at sourceforge.net -
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git - I'm no fan of
sourceforge, but why cause more unrelated disruption than needed?


I'm very active over at github right now, The interface is much lighter, much faster, much cleaner, and aimed around "this individual has a bunch or projects" rather than "this project has an individual in charge". And I've frankly found the multi-source-control approach of subverson and git on the same project to be very destabilizing. 

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 18:47, David Cantrell <david < at > cantrell.org.uk ([email]david < at > cantrell.org.uk[/email])> wrote:
This is really one for the maintainers and others who might want to
contribute code.

These days, CVS annoys me.  So I've imported the rsnapshot repository to
Github:
 https://github.com/DrHyde/rsnapshot

If people agree with me that Github is better, then I'll try to figure
out how to move the mailing list and close the CVS repository.

Why use Github? Mostly because I use git for everything else these
days and I've lost my CVS muscle-memory  But also because being able
to commit on my laptop when I'm offline is awesome, and "pull requests"
make applying patches trivial.  Git branching is also way better than on
CVS, which would let, for example, someone work on making the build
system less of a pain so we can release more often, without interfering
with anything that people are doing to improve rsnapshot's own code.

Now we just need a volunteer to slap the build system into shape

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 Sobol's Law of Telecom Utilities:
   Telcos are malicious; cablecos are simply clueless.



Github is a very popular site.  Git > CVS, IMO.  I would agree with such a move.
I'm now watching the rsnapshot repo on Github.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 AM, MJ Ray <mjr < at > phonecoop.coop> wrote:
David Cantrell
If people agree with me that Github is better, then I'll try to figure
out how to move the mailing list and close the CVS repository.

Why use Github? Mostly because I use git for everything else [...]

OK, that's why to use git, but why use the proprietary-AFAIK Github
rather than supporting our FOSS bretheren that run competing services?

Gitorious is usually good but had some cache problems recently.

There's always code.google.com's git support, too!

I've been using git for a few years at my day job (Chromium). One of
the things I really like about git is that I can have a gaggle of
repos and pull things back and forth between them without requiring a
central authority to coordinate basic things, like how to refer to a
specific change. So I think converting from CVS to git is all
goodness, and deciding which hosting service to use is more-or-less
just a convenience thing. If you get things right, you should be able
to mirror to multiple repos and have clients be able to pull from
whichever they wish to.

[I'm not encouraging maintaining multiple public repos, it's annoying
to deal with. Just saying that I think the hosting provider is much
less of a binding commitment than it was with tools like SVN. If the
hosting provider goes belly-up, you just push your local repo to a new
provider and propagate the remote ref. If it's offline for a few
days, you can always distribute exported patches via email.]

Why move the list from sourceforge?  Although it's not FOSS either,
you could have a git mirror at sourceforge.net -
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git - I'm no fan of
sourceforge, but why cause more unrelated disruption than needed?

I think this is reasonable. The mailing list has a much more
persistent historical association with the current location, more
people need to be able to find it, and they are on average less savvy
than people who might submit patches.

-scott

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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Scott Hess
<scott+rsnapshot < at > doubleu.com> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 AM, MJ Ray <mjr < at > phonecoop.coop> wrote:
David Cantrell
If people agree with me that Github is better, then I'll try to figure
out how to move the mailing list and close the CVS repository.
Why use Github? Mostly because I use git for everything else [...]

I think the move to Github would be a good thing.

I don't think my opinion should count for too much since I don't
contribute much in the way of code, but Github does make that easier
(I think).

- Troy

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On 24/04/12 23:47, David Cantrell wrote:
This is really one for the maintainers and others who might want to
contribute code.

These days, CVS annoys me. So I've imported the rsnapshot repository to
Github:
https://github.com/DrHyde/rsnapshot

If people agree with me that Github is better, then I'll try to figure
out how to move the mailing list and close the CVS repository.

I vote for git and there is nothing wrong with Github, it works well,
integrates easily with the Smartgit client or just do it on the CLI


Why use Github? Mostly because I use git for everything else these
days and I've lost my CVS muscle-memory But also because being able
to commit on my laptop when I'm offline is awesome, and "pull requests"
make applying patches trivial. Git branching is also way better than on
CVS, which would let, for example, someone work on making the build
system less of a pain so we can release more often, without interfering
with anything that people are doing to improve rsnapshot's own code.

"CVS muscle-memory", oh yes I know what you mean, goodby and good riddance.


Now we just need a volunteer to slap the build system into shape



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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:53:36AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
David Cantrell
If people agree with me that Github is better, then I'll try to figure
out how to move the mailing list and close the CVS repository.

Why use Github? Mostly because I use git for everything else [...]

OK, that's why to use git, but why use the proprietary-AFAIK Github
rather than supporting our FOSS bretheren that run competing services?
Gitorious is usually good but had some cache problems recently.

I don't think that FOSSiness alone is a good reason to use something.
eg, I don't use a free OS on my desktops, and I use rsnapshot because I
prefer its features to those of the competition.

Now, admittedly, one of the features I like about rsnapshot is that if
it doesn't do exactrly what I want, I can easily change it, so its
FOSSiness is one of the many factors I took into account. I can't
easily change Gitorious, because it's written in a language I don't
know (Ruby, IIRC), and running my own instance of it requires
infrastructure I don't have, and so Gitorious's FOSSiness is, to me, of
no consequence.

TBH my main reason is that I had forgotten that Gitorious existed. No
doubt I will forget again in a few days time. Github has the mindshare.

Github also has great customer support even if you're using their free
service. I've had to contact them a few times and every time I've got a
quick, useful response. Sourceforge support has also been useful the
few times I've contacted them, but a lot slower. I have no idea about
Gitorious's support.

Why move the list from sourceforge? Although it's not FOSS either,
you could have a git mirror at sourceforge.net -
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git - I'm no fan of
sourceforge, but why cause more unrelated disruption than needed?

I thought it would be better to keep everything in one place. However,
it turns out that Github don't yet offer mailing list hosting, so we
couldn't move it anyway.

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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:33:36AM -0400, Scott Zahn wrote:

I'm now watching the rsnapshot repo on Github.

I have no intention of actually *using* that repo until at least djk
says that he's happy to switch. I'd rather use CVS than fork the
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 01:15:10PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:33:36AM -0400, Scott Zahn wrote:

I'm now watching the rsnapshot repo on Github.

I have no intention of actually *using* that repo until at least djk
says that he's happy to switch. I'd rather use CVS than fork the
project!

On the question of changing from CVS to git, I'm happy with that.
(In the past I preferred CVS, but now I'm happy to use git.)

I haven't used github or gitorious or anything similar, just sourceforge.

On another note, things have become less crazy for me at work (but
are still busy).

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Hallo, David,

Du meintest am 26.04.12:

I'm now watching the rsnapshot repo on Github.

I have no intention of actually *using* that repo until at least djk
says that he's happy to switch. I'd rather use CVS than fork the
project!

That sounds good.

Just additional: in the "btrfs" mailing list a package builder just
urgently asked for tarballs instead of git sources:

"I'm one of those few people with several hats on, and one of them is a
packager/distro builder. From that perspective, btrfs-progs is rather
awkward to work with at this time, because as a packager, we like to
work with the tarballs, not git."

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

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