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Hello

I have 6 different DSU in about 1 Tb. each. Is it a good idea to defrag? It will take long time, because they are nearly full at all time.

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It is usually recommended by the manufacturers NOT to defrag DSU's. (At
least that was what we heard from EMC)

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Hello

I have 6 different DSU in about 1 Tb. each. Is it a good idea to defrag?
It will take long time, because they are nearly full at all time.

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Thanks. Maybee it's better for format DSU's, when everything is staged to tape, to clean up?

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Beats me, we leave ours strictly alone. However, that's an emc
recommendation.

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Thanks. Maybee it's better for format DSU's, when everything is staged
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Ok. Thanx !! Very Happy

Anyone else have som comments about this?

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On Feb 13, 2008 5:37 AM, osonder <netbackup-forum < at > backupcentral.com ([email]netbackup-forum < at > backupcentral.com[/email])> wrote:

I have 6 different DSU in about 1 Tb. each. Is it a good idea to defrag? It will take long time, because they are nearly full at all time.
We tried to defrag our Windows DSSUs. The defragger could not keep up - it's a lost cause.

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Greetings,

Although I am not currently defragmenting my current DSU volumes, I
previously had ~4TB in a single DSU under NBU 5.1 . This volume was
running vxfs and did receive a couple of hundred "small <100MB" jobs
each day, with Full backups each evening.

I did notice fragmentation on the volume and tried a number of things to
resolve this to get greater performance.

Running a daily (time to run for no more than 5 hours) defrag, this
process was extreemly slow (took about 1 month to get satisfactory
results). It did however improve the performance of the DSU by about
20MB/s.

Later I ended up creating several smaller 1TB DSU's (all from the same
lun) with no defragmentation running. my process for ensuring the system
did not lose too much performance, was stop using one DSU and empty the
images from it. choice of fill with empty files and let nbu destaging
process take care of it, OR bpexpdate -copy <x>. The latter process was
the simplest. With the empty volume you then have no fragmentation,
although I would run defrag anyway (my sanity is not in question here).
Note: Under NBU 6+ we can now just set the "Threshold" to 1 to
clear out de-staged images.

The fact of fragmentation was only a problem for us as our users
"required" several days of full images to be kept on the DSU, meaning
the system was allways near 70% full.

We have since changed out infrastructure , utilising more DSU space. I
have not yet investigated impact of fragmentation on the DSU's.

Adam Mellor
Senior Unix Support Analyst
CF IT TECHNOLOGY SERVICES
Woodside Energy Ltd.


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Ok. Thanx !! Very Happy

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On Feb 13, 2008 6:22 PM, Mellor, Adam A. <Adam.Mellor < at > woodside.com.au ([email]Adam.Mellor < at > woodside.com.au[/email])> wrote:
Although I am not currently defragmenting my current DSU volumes, I
previously had ~4TB in a single DSU under NBU 5.1 . This volume was
running vxfs
vxfs says it all, you lucky guy. NTFS just sucks... try a 4TB DSSU on Windows and see how much fun you have.

I do like your idea of dropping the threshold to a low value to empty it out more frequently though.



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Hello

I have 6 different DSU in about 1 Tb. each. Is it a good idea to defrag? It will take long time, because they are nearly full at all time.If you are on Windows I say definite YES! NTFS still fragments. I have 7 2-TB volumes, some DSSU, some hold Backup Exec images and some SQL dumps. The fragmentation definetly hurts disk-to-tape performance on all those volumes. The BE images are the worst, causing 2+ million fragments within a month. I see performance pick up by 30% by defragging. I use Diskeeper which tries to defrag continuosly when there is no other disk IO. But it can't keep up with the BE images, I have to manually defrag with Diskeeper every 3 to 4 months. Sad

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