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Hi,

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We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in it. Now we bought a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert them into the robot
and perform an inventory of the library, the new cartridges are detected
as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2 drive.

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I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but reading the Volume
Manager guide confuses me even more. We use NetBackup 4.5 FP6.

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Who has got a solution to this issue?

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Thanks in advance,

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Marcel van Drunen

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end
up in diff pools, others may do some more fancy
things. we use a stk l180 and we have on the barcode
(not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so
that the library itself will know what type of tape is
in the slots. the stk barcode scanner will use this
part of the label to determine the tape type, ie dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in
it. Now we bought a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert
them into the robot
and perform an inventory of the library, the new
cartridges are detected
as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2
drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but
reading the Volume
Manager guide confuses me even more. We use
NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




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IIRC, this has to be configured on the library.....

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of
K Chapman
Sent: January 25, 2005 12:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

we have on the barcode
(not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so
that the library itself will know what type of tape is
in the slots. the stk barcode scanner will use this
part of the label to determine the tape type, ie dlt,
lto, etc...

K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads the
last six positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself. Hmm,
I wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to design
a rule that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end
up in diff pools, others may do some more fancy
things. we use a stk l180 and we have on the barcode
(not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so
that the library itself will know what type of tape is
in the slots. the stk barcode scanner will use this
part of the label to determine the tape type, ie dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in
it. Now we bought a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert
them into the robot
and perform an inventory of the library, the new
cartridges are detected
as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2
drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but
reading the Volume
Manager guide confuses me even more. We use
NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




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Marcel,

Let me see if I can make this as easy as possible for you.

You will need to use barcode rules. Hopefully your new labels have a
different range (in particular from left to right) than your current
DLT carts do.

Now, I'll add a couple of additional items. First, you mention that
NBU only reads the "last six positions"... Well, NBU thinks the first
positions are from left to right and therefore the L2 is in fact the
last 2 positions. You are correct though, NBU does in fact use the
last six positions by default. So, I'm assuming that if your media
don't have that L2 (media identifier incidentally), then the library
isn't reporting the L2 to NBU. That's not a big deal since you would
probably just use a MEDIA_ID_BARCODE_CHARS directive to tell NBU to
ignore it. And since barcode rules work from left to right, there's no
"good" way to use the L2 in a barcode rule..... Whew, confused? Hope
not.

So, I'll give an example.

Assume you have existing media that are all DLT media and the barcodes
are AAAxxx. Now when you have the new LTO-2 Media, hopefully they have
something different, lets say BBBxxx range. You need to create a
barcode rule that lists AAA (don't put any wild cards in or it won't
work) and identifies that range the same as your existing DLT media.
Then, you can create a second rule that lists BBB and make it the same
density as your LTO-2 drives (probably hcart).

I hope that helps a bit and doesn't confuse you too much.

-Tim


On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:08 AM, Drunen van, Marcel wrote:

K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads
the
last six positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself. Hmm,
I wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to
design
a rule that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end
up in diff pools, others may do some more fancy
things. we use a stk l180 and we have on the barcode
(not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so
that the library itself will know what type of tape is
in the slots. the stk barcode scanner will use this
part of the label to determine the tape type, ie dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in
it. Now we bought a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert
them into the robot
and perform an inventory of the library, the new
cartridges are detected
as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2
drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but
reading the Volume
Manager guide confuses me even more. We use
NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




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Tim, K,

Thanks for the input.

I think we are just lucky in our pick of labels. Both DLT and LTO labels
start with 'BUP', but by pure coincidence we ordered BUP400 till BUP599
for the LTO labels. Which means, following your input, we can make two
rules for 'BUP4' and 'BUP5' and have them select Hcart as cartridge
type. I'll check this tomorrow, think it will work.

Kind regards,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Hoke [mailto:thoke < at > northpeak.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:26 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel
Cc: veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu; K Chapman
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

Marcel,

Let me see if I can make this as easy as possible for you.

You will need to use barcode rules. Hopefully your new labels have a
different range (in particular from left to right) than your current
DLT carts do.

Now, I'll add a couple of additional items. First, you mention that
NBU only reads the "last six positions"... Well, NBU thinks the first
positions are from left to right and therefore the L2 is in fact the
last 2 positions. You are correct though, NBU does in fact use the
last six positions by default. So, I'm assuming that if your media
don't have that L2 (media identifier incidentally), then the library
isn't reporting the L2 to NBU. That's not a big deal since you would
probably just use a MEDIA_ID_BARCODE_CHARS directive to tell NBU to
ignore it. And since barcode rules work from left to right, there's no
"good" way to use the L2 in a barcode rule..... Whew, confused? Hope
not.

So, I'll give an example.

Assume you have existing media that are all DLT media and the barcodes
are AAAxxx. Now when you have the new LTO-2 Media, hopefully they have
something different, lets say BBBxxx range. You need to create a
barcode rule that lists AAA (don't put any wild cards in or it won't
work) and identifies that range the same as your existing DLT media.
Then, you can create a second rule that lists BBB and make it the same
density as your LTO-2 drives (probably hcart).

I hope that helps a bit and doesn't confuse you too much.

-Tim


On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:08 AM, Drunen van, Marcel wrote:

K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads
the
last six positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself.
Hmm,
I wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to
design
a rule that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end
up in diff pools, others may do some more fancy
things. we use a stk l180 and we have on the barcode
(not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so
that the library itself will know what type of tape is
in the slots. the stk barcode scanner will use this
part of the label to determine the tape type, ie dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in
it. Now we bought a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert
them into the robot
and perform an inventory of the library, the new
cartridges are detected
as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2
drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but
reading the Volume
Manager guide confuses me even more. We use
NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




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thats odd the stk library isnt reporting the correct
cart type back. for the media contents acording to
the stk lib (from the library admin or front panel),
are they all showing as dlt?

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Tim, K,

Thanks for the input.

I think we are just lucky in our pick of labels.
Both DLT and LTO labels
start with 'BUP', but by pure coincidence we ordered
BUP400 till BUP599
for the LTO labels. Which means, following your
input, we can make two
rules for 'BUP4' and 'BUP5' and have them select
Hcart as cartridge
type. I'll check this tomorrow, think it will work.

Kind regards,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Hoke [mailto:thoke < at > northpeak.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:26 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel
Cc: veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu; K Chapman
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

Marcel,

Let me see if I can make this as easy as possible
for you.

You will need to use barcode rules. Hopefully your
new labels have a
different range (in particular from left to right)
than your current
DLT carts do.

Now, I'll add a couple of additional items. First,
you mention that
NBU only reads the "last six positions"... Well, NBU
thinks the first
positions are from left to right and therefore the
L2 is in fact the
last 2 positions. You are correct though, NBU does
in fact use the
last six positions by default. So, I'm assuming
that if your media
don't have that L2 (media identifier incidentally),
then the library
isn't reporting the L2 to NBU. That's not a big
deal since you would
probably just use a MEDIA_ID_BARCODE_CHARS directive
to tell NBU to
ignore it. And since barcode rules work from left
to right, there's no
"good" way to use the L2 in a barcode rule.....
Whew, confused? Hope
not.

So, I'll give an example.

Assume you have existing media that are all DLT
media and the barcodes
are AAAxxx. Now when you have the new LTO-2 Media,
hopefully they have
something different, lets say BBBxxx range. You
need to create a
barcode rule that lists AAA (don't put any wild
cards in or it won't
work) and identifies that range the same as your
existing DLT media.
Then, you can create a second rule that lists BBB
and make it the same
density as your LTO-2 drives (probably hcart).

I hope that helps a bit and doesn't confuse you too
much.

-Tim


On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:08 AM, Drunen van, Marcel
wrote:

K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode
too, but somehow
Netbackup still recognizes it as DLT. Probably
because it only reads
the
last six positions of the barcode, so it will not
see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work
better if we add the
latest device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine
the type itself.
Hmm,
I wish ours would. I will have to re-read the
manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to
have the labels for
the LTO2's in the same range as the other labels.
So it's hard to
design
a rule that picks out the LTO2's based on the
barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge
Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes
end
up in diff pools, others may do some more fancy
things. we use a stk l180 and we have on the
barcode
(not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes
so
that the library itself will know what type of
tape is
in the slots. the stk barcode scanner will use
this
part of the label to determine the tape type, ie
dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives
in
it. Now we bought a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we
insert
them into the robot
and perform an inventory of the library, the new
cartridges are detected
as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new
LTO2
drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules,
but
reading the Volume
Manager guide confuses me even more. We use
NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




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Guys,

The barcode rule works, now making a backup with the new drive. TNX!

Now I have another problem, when I do an inventory of the library, it
stops at slot 525 with a message about not being able to add the media.
Since I didn't install the web access thingy properly I am now going to
visit the library to check if there is something physically wrong with
that slot. Maybe I stuck the tape in upside down?

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Hoke [mailto:thoke < at > northpeak.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:26 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel
Cc: veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu; K Chapman
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

Marcel,

Let me see if I can make this as easy as possible for you.

You will need to use barcode rules. Hopefully your new labels have a
different range (in particular from left to right) than your current
DLT carts do.

Now, I'll add a couple of additional items. First, you mention that
NBU only reads the "last six positions"... Well, NBU thinks the first
positions are from left to right and therefore the L2 is in fact the
last 2 positions. You are correct though, NBU does in fact use the
last six positions by default. So, I'm assuming that if your media
don't have that L2 (media identifier incidentally), then the library
isn't reporting the L2 to NBU. That's not a big deal since you would
probably just use a MEDIA_ID_BARCODE_CHARS directive to tell NBU to
ignore it. And since barcode rules work from left to right, there's no
"good" way to use the L2 in a barcode rule..... Whew, confused? Hope
not.

So, I'll give an example.

Assume you have existing media that are all DLT media and the barcodes
are AAAxxx. Now when you have the new LTO-2 Media, hopefully they have
something different, lets say BBBxxx range. You need to create a
barcode rule that lists AAA (don't put any wild cards in or it won't
work) and identifies that range the same as your existing DLT media.
Then, you can create a second rule that lists BBB and make it the same
density as your LTO-2 drives (probably hcart).

I hope that helps a bit and doesn't confuse you too much.

-Tim


On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:08 AM, Drunen van, Marcel wrote:

K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads
the
last six positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself.
Hmm,
I wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to
design
a rule that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end
up in diff pools, others may do some more fancy
things. we use a stk l180 and we have on the barcode
(not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so
that the library itself will know what type of tape is
in the slots. the stk barcode scanner will use this
part of the label to determine the tape type, ie dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in
it. Now we bought a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert
them into the robot
and perform an inventory of the library, the new
cartridges are detected
as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2
drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but
reading the Volume
Manager guide confuses me even more. We use
NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




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FreeBSD rocks



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I'm not sure you can get away with having duplicated barcodes. Minimally,
the Media ID must be unique. The barcode is technically a different field
in the volume DB but is usually the same as the media ID.

Look at the output of vmquery -w -m <tapenum>. First field is media ID,
fourth is barcode. They're usually the same. You're just asking for
trouble if you try to duplicate barcodes despite the difference in tape
type.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]On Behalf Of Drunen van,
Marcel
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:09 AM
To: K Chapman; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads the
last six positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself. Hmm,
I wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to design
a rule that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end
up in diff pools, others may do some more fancy
things. we use a stk l180 and we have on the barcode
(not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so
that the library itself will know what type of tape is
in the slots. the stk barcode scanner will use this
part of the label to determine the tape type, ie dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in
it. Now we bought a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert
them into the robot
and perform an inventory of the library, the new
cartridges are detected
as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2
drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but
reading the Volume
Manager guide confuses me even more. We use
NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




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Duplicate Barcode labels just reared it's ugly head here, and caused some
pretty major problems between my media and master server. I kept running
out of media, and couldn't figure out why. If you have duplicates in your
library, your media server cannot update the volume db on the master server,
because it fails with the duplication error. We had some really major
problems, and I'm surprised it didn't blow up before. Removing the tapes
solved the problem... But it was bad for us because we had well over 20 dupe
tapes. :O My recommendation would be to avoid this at all costs!

Hope this helps!

Jen

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com [mailto:Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:35 AM
To: marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

I'm not sure you can get away with having duplicated barcodes. Minimally,
the Media ID must be unique. The barcode is technically a different field
in the volume DB but is usually the same as the media ID.

Look at the output of vmquery -w -m <tapenum>. First field is media ID,
fourth is barcode. They're usually the same. You're just asking for
trouble if you try to duplicate barcodes despite the difference in tape
type.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]On Behalf Of Drunen van,
Marcel
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:09 AM
To: K Chapman; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow Netbackup
still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads the last six
positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the latest
device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself. Hmm, I
wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for the
LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to design a rule
that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end up in diff pools,
others may do some more fancy things. we use a stk l180 and we have on the
barcode (not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so that the
library itself will know what type of tape is in the slots. the stk barcode
scanner will use this part of the label to determine the tape type, ie dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in it. Now we bought
a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert them into the
robot and perform an inventory of the library, the new cartridges are
detected as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2 drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but reading the
Volume Manager guide confuses me even more. We use NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




=====
aaarrrggghhh!!!!
FreeBSD rocks



__________________________________
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They are not duplicates, just in the same range. So BUP000 to BUP399 are
DLT, BUP400 till BUP599 are LTO2.

It sort of works now for most tapes. Still investigating what causes
some of them not to work.

I know that next time I'll buy a complete new library in stead of
putting different drives in one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Hooper [mailto:jennifer.hooper < at > peregrine.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:51 PM
To: 'Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com'; Drunen van, Marcel; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

Duplicate Barcode labels just reared it's ugly head here, and caused
some
pretty major problems between my media and master server. I kept
running
out of media, and couldn't figure out why. If you have duplicates in
your
library, your media server cannot update the volume db on the master
server,
because it fails with the duplication error. We had some really major
problems, and I'm surprised it didn't blow up before. Removing the
tapes
solved the problem... But it was bad for us because we had well over 20
dupe
tapes. :O My recommendation would be to avoid this at all costs!

Hope this helps!

Jen

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com [mailto:Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:35 AM
To: marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

I'm not sure you can get away with having duplicated barcodes.
Minimally,
the Media ID must be unique. The barcode is technically a different
field
in the volume DB but is usually the same as the media ID.

Look at the output of vmquery -w -m <tapenum>. First field is media ID,
fourth is barcode. They're usually the same. You're just asking for
trouble if you try to duplicate barcodes despite the difference in tape
type.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]On Behalf Of Drunen van,
Marcel
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:09 AM
To: K Chapman; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup
still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads the last six
positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest
device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself. Hmm,
I
wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the
LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to design a
rule
that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end up in diff pools,
others may do some more fancy things. we use a stk l180 and we have on
the
barcode (not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so that the
library itself will know what type of tape is in the slots. the stk
barcode
scanner will use this part of the label to determine the tape type, ie
dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in it. Now we bought
a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert them into the
robot and perform an inventory of the library, the new cartridges are
detected as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2 drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but reading the
Volume Manager guide confuses me even more. We use NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




=====
aaarrrggghhh!!!!
FreeBSD rocks



__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
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You should be able to setup a barcode rule that says:

BUP0 - HCART
BUP1 - HCART
BPU2 - HCART
BPU3 - HCART
<default> HCART2

so the new additions are marked as LTO2. I say "should be able" since I'm
doing this and my last injection all injected as 8mm, despite the barcode
rule. I'm not sure it's working right.

Once injected wrong, the "vmchange" command is an easy way to change it to
what you want.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: Drunen van, Marcel [mailto:marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:48 AM
To: Jennifer Hooper; Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


They are not duplicates, just in the same range. So BUP000 to BUP399 are
DLT, BUP400 till BUP599 are LTO2.

It sort of works now for most tapes. Still investigating what causes
some of them not to work.

I know that next time I'll buy a complete new library in stead of
putting different drives in one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Hooper [mailto:jennifer.hooper < at > peregrine.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:51 PM
To: 'Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com'; Drunen van, Marcel; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

Duplicate Barcode labels just reared it's ugly head here, and caused
some
pretty major problems between my media and master server. I kept
running
out of media, and couldn't figure out why. If you have duplicates in
your
library, your media server cannot update the volume db on the master
server,
because it fails with the duplication error. We had some really major
problems, and I'm surprised it didn't blow up before. Removing the
tapes
solved the problem... But it was bad for us because we had well over 20
dupe
tapes. :O My recommendation would be to avoid this at all costs!

Hope this helps!

Jen

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com [mailto:Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:35 AM
To: marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

I'm not sure you can get away with having duplicated barcodes.
Minimally,
the Media ID must be unique. The barcode is technically a different
field
in the volume DB but is usually the same as the media ID.

Look at the output of vmquery -w -m <tapenum>. First field is media ID,
fourth is barcode. They're usually the same. You're just asking for
trouble if you try to duplicate barcodes despite the difference in tape
type.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]On Behalf Of Drunen van,
Marcel
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:09 AM
To: K Chapman; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup
still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads the last six
positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest
device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself. Hmm,
I
wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the
LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to design a
rule
that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end up in diff pools,
others may do some more fancy things. we use a stk l180 and we have on
the
barcode (not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so that the
library itself will know what type of tape is in the slots. the stk
barcode
scanner will use this part of the label to determine the tape type, ie
dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in it. Now we bought
a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert them into the
robot and perform an inventory of the library, the new cartridges are
detected as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2 drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but reading the
Volume Manager guide confuses me even more. We use NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




=====
aaarrrggghhh!!!!
FreeBSD rocks



__________________________________
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You might try - with 1 or 2 tapes at a time to see if it works?
Deleting the unassigned barcode tape's to be used with the new drive.
Use the Add new volumes function to add them back in - but ensure that the
Type of media is different than all of the others used for the other drives.
Then Ensure that the DRIVE TYPE on the new drives is the same as the Volumes

That you just added as Type - "Must be different than the old / other
drives" but the same as the tape type's you just added.
Then The Storage Unit that you use for those tapes / drives must be
different than the old drives. Storage unit = The same type as the drives
and tapes.

Or most of the above and using the vmchange -new_mt on tapes already
unassigned in the robot.

When restoring data the type specified on the drives must be the same as it
was specified during the backups - As I learned at a Disaster recovery
mission at Sungard in New York.

Eric Ljungblad
Computer Operator
Copley Information Services
7701 Herschel Ave
La Jolla, California 90037
Eric.Ljungblad < at > copleypress.com
(858) 729-8010

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com [mailto:Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:08 AM
To: marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

You should be able to setup a barcode rule that says:

BUP0 - HCART
BUP1 - HCART
BPU2 - HCART
BPU3 - HCART
<default> HCART2

so the new additions are marked as LTO2. I say "should be able" since I'm
doing this and my last injection all injected as 8mm, despite the barcode
rule. I'm not sure it's working right.

Once injected wrong, the "vmchange" command is an easy way to change it to
what you want.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: Drunen van, Marcel [mailto:marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:48 AM
To: Jennifer Hooper; Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


They are not duplicates, just in the same range. So BUP000 to BUP399 are
DLT, BUP400 till BUP599 are LTO2.

It sort of works now for most tapes. Still investigating what causes
some of them not to work.

I know that next time I'll buy a complete new library in stead of
putting different drives in one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Hooper [mailto:jennifer.hooper < at > peregrine.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:51 PM
To: 'Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com'; Drunen van, Marcel; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

Duplicate Barcode labels just reared it's ugly head here, and caused
some
pretty major problems between my media and master server. I kept
running
out of media, and couldn't figure out why. If you have duplicates in
your
library, your media server cannot update the volume db on the master
server,
because it fails with the duplication error. We had some really major
problems, and I'm surprised it didn't blow up before. Removing the
tapes
solved the problem... But it was bad for us because we had well over 20
dupe
tapes. :O My recommendation would be to avoid this at all costs!

Hope this helps!

Jen

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com [mailto:Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:35 AM
To: marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

I'm not sure you can get away with having duplicated barcodes.
Minimally,
the Media ID must be unique. The barcode is technically a different
field
in the volume DB but is usually the same as the media ID.

Look at the output of vmquery -w -m <tapenum>. First field is media ID,
fourth is barcode. They're usually the same. You're just asking for
trouble if you try to duplicate barcodes despite the difference in tape
type.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]On Behalf Of Drunen van,
Marcel
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:09 AM
To: K Chapman; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup
still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads the last six
positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest
device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself. Hmm,
I
wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the
LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to design a
rule
that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end up in diff pools,
others may do some more fancy things. we use a stk l180 and we have on
the
barcode (not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so that the
library itself will know what type of tape is in the slots. the stk
barcode
scanner will use this part of the label to determine the tape type, ie
dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in it. Now we bought
a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert them into the
robot and perform an inventory of the library, the new cartridges are
detected as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2 drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but reading the
Volume Manager guide confuses me even more. We use NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




=====
aaarrrggghhh!!!!
FreeBSD rocks



__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Heh, this morning it all started working...... TNX all!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com [mailto:Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:08 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

You should be able to setup a barcode rule that says:

BUP0 - HCART
BUP1 - HCART
BPU2 - HCART
BPU3 - HCART
<default> HCART2

so the new additions are marked as LTO2. I say "should be able" since
I'm
doing this and my last injection all injected as 8mm, despite the
barcode
rule. I'm not sure it's working right.

Once injected wrong, the "vmchange" command is an easy way to change it
to
what you want.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: Drunen van, Marcel [mailto:marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:48 AM
To: Jennifer Hooper; Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


They are not duplicates, just in the same range. So BUP000 to BUP399 are
DLT, BUP400 till BUP599 are LTO2.

It sort of works now for most tapes. Still investigating what causes
some of them not to work.

I know that next time I'll buy a complete new library in stead of
putting different drives in one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Hooper [mailto:jennifer.hooper < at > peregrine.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:51 PM
To: 'Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com'; Drunen van, Marcel; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

Duplicate Barcode labels just reared it's ugly head here, and caused
some
pretty major problems between my media and master server. I kept
running
out of media, and couldn't figure out why. If you have duplicates in
your
library, your media server cannot update the volume db on the master
server,
because it fails with the duplication error. We had some really major
problems, and I'm surprised it didn't blow up before. Removing the
tapes
solved the problem... But it was bad for us because we had well over 20
dupe
tapes. :O My recommendation would be to avoid this at all costs!

Hope this helps!

Jen

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com [mailto:Mark.Donaldson < at > cexp.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:35 AM
To: marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com; tech2187 < at > yahoo.com;
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

I'm not sure you can get away with having duplicated barcodes.
Minimally,
the Media ID must be unique. The barcode is technically a different
field
in the volume DB but is usually the same as the media ID.

Look at the output of vmquery -w -m <tapenum>. First field is media ID,
fourth is barcode. They're usually the same. You're just asking for
trouble if you try to duplicate barcodes despite the difference in tape
type.

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]On Behalf Of Drunen van,
Marcel
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:09 AM
To: K Chapman; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types


K,

Thanks for the reply. We have 'L2' on the barcode too, but somehow
Netbackup
still recognizes it as DLT. Probably because it only reads the last six
positions of the barcode, so it will not see the 'L2' part.
Does that sound logical? Maybe this will work better if we add the
latest
device mapping file?

On the other hand, you say your library determine the type itself. Hmm,
I
wish ours would. I will have to re-read the manual.

On using barcode rules: unfortunately we chose to have the labels for
the
LTO2's in the same range as the other labels. So it's hard to design a
rule
that picks out the LTO2's based on the barcode.

CU,

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: K Chapman [mailto:tech2187 < at > yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Drunen van, Marcel; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Different Cartridge Types

i use barcode rules to make sure certain barcodes end up in diff pools,
others may do some more fancy things. we use a stk l180 and we have on
the
barcode (not part of the barcode) 'L2' for the lto2 tapes so that the
library itself will know what type of tape is in the slots. the stk
barcode
scanner will use this part of the label to determine the tape type, ie
dlt,
lto, etc...

--- "Drunen van, Marcel"
<marcel.drunenvan < at > nl.unisys.com> wrote:

Hi,



We have a STK L700 library with three DLT drives in it. Now we bought
a
LTO2 drive and a hundred cartridges. When we insert them into the
robot and perform an inventory of the library, the new cartridges are
detected as DLT drives, so they are not used by the new LTO2 drive.



I vaguely remember something with barcode rules, but reading the
Volume Manager guide confuses me even more. We use NetBackup 4.5 FP6.



Who has got a solution to this issue?



Thanks in advance,



Marcel van Drunen




=====
aaarrrggghhh!!!!
FreeBSD rocks



__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
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