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What’s the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount or a SAN share? With all the drama going on around our catalog size and the new Isilon, I’m beginning to wonder if we’ll out grow out current master servers local disk soon. I’ll be digging through Symantec PDFs, but thought I would throw it out here for you all as well. My obvious concerns are I/O. In our environment I would say we usually have no more than 30 active jobs (including children) running at a time. Our average is probably 10 or less, with bursts of 30.

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What’s the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount or
a SAN share?

I would be careful to not put my catalogs on the same storage array(s)
as the data that I'm backing up. The same failure that loses your data
would also compromise your ability to restore it.

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Agreed, in our case catalog's go to email, tape (onsite and offsite) and a network file system. Backup images go to Tape (onsite and offsite) and Data Domain.

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What's the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount or
a SAN share?

I would be careful to not put my catalogs on the same storage array(s)
as the data that I'm backing up. The same failure that loses your data
would also compromise your ability to restore it.

- Bluejay Adametz

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Unless I misunderstood your reply, you do not want to store your live
catalog on the same external storage array as the one that houses the
other production data (Email, fileshares, etc.).

For best practices, common sense is probably the most applicable here.
Raid 10 will have best performance, Raid5 (or 6) would probably do ok for
your site if you are that tight on free space. Provide it multiple paths
and use the proper multipath driver, patch the HBAs, etc. etc.

My standard build puts the catalog on a storage array and is mounted as a
separate filesystem on the server. I also put logs in a different set of
LUNs from the same storage array, but it is mounted as another filesystem
on the server. Verbosity tends to get left at high and then logs fill up
and wreak havoc on the database.

Thank you,
Rusty

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Agreed, in our case catalog's go to email, tape (onsite and offsite) and a
network file system. Backup images go to Tape (onsite and offsite) and
Data Domain.

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What's the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS
mount or a SAN share?

I would be careful to not put my catalogs on the same storage array(s) as
the data that I'm backing up. The same failure that loses your data would
also compromise your ability to restore it.

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http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH16116 says "No".

http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH33326 says "No".

Cheers, Wayne

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Sanders, Nate <sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com ([email]sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com[/email])> wrote:

What’s the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount or a SAN share? With all the drama going on around our catalog size and the new Isilon, I’m beginning to wonder if we’ll out grow out current master servers local disk soon. I’ll be digging through Symantec PDFs, but thought I would throw it out here for you all as well. My obvious concerns are I/O. In our environment I would say we usually have no more than 30 active jobs (including children) running at a time. Our average is probably 10 or less, with bursts of 30.
 
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Digital Motorworks, Inc         [url=tel:%28512%29%20692%20-%201038](512) 692 - 1038[/url]
 

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Yeah that was pretty much what I figured.

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http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH16116 says "No".

http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH33326 says "No".

Cheers, Wayne
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Sanders, Nate <sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com ([email]sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com[/email])> wrote:
What’s the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount or a SAN share? With all the drama going on around our catalog size and the new Isilon, I’m beginning to wonder if we’ll out grow out current master servers local disk soon. I’ll be digging through Symantec PDFs, but thought I would throw it out here for you all as well. My obvious concerns are I/O. In our environment I would say we usually have no more than 30 active jobs (including children) running at a time. Our average is probably 10 or less, with bursts of 30.

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Digital Motorworks, Inc [url=tel:%28512%29%20692%20-%201038](512) 692 - 1038[/url]



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In point of fact it only says NO to NFS/CIFS. The original question also asked about SAN as well and I don’t know of any prohibition against that but as others have noted you’d want to make sure the disk array used is backed up to other locations because if the array fails you’d lose both your other data and the catalog you need to restore that data.









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Yeah that was pretty much what I figured.

From: Wayne T Smith [mailto:WTSmith < at > maine.edu]
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http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH16116 says "No".

http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH33326 says "No".

Cheers, Wayne
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Sanders, Nate <sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com ([email]sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com[/email])> wrote:
What’s the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount or a SAN share? With all the drama going on around our catalog size and the new Isilon, I’m beginning to wonder if we’ll out grow out current master servers local disk soon. I’ll be digging through Symantec PDFs, but thought I would throw it out here for you all as well. My obvious concerns are I/O. In our environment I would say we usually have no more than 30 active jobs (including children) running at a time. Our average is probably 10 or less, with bursts of 30.

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Digital Motorworks, Inc [url=tel:%28512%29%20692%20-%201038](512) 692 - 1038[/url]



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I am fairly certain SAN LUNs are explicitly supported and infact that allows one of the new DR protections for the master made available for 7.0. I have it bookmarked at the office.

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In point of fact it only says NO to NFS/CIFS. The original question also asked about SAN as well and I don’t know of any prohibition against that but as others have noted you’d want to make sure the disk array used is backed up to other locations because if the array fails you’d lose both your other data and the catalog you need to restore that data.







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Yeah that was pretty much what I figured.

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http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH16116 says "No".

http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH33326 says "No".

Cheers, Wayne
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Sanders, Nate <sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com ([email]sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com[/email])> wrote:
What’s the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount or a SAN share? With all the drama going on around our catalog size and the new Isilon, I’m beginning to wonder if we’ll out grow out current master servers local disk soon. I’ll be digging through Symantec PDFs, but thought I would throw it out here for you all as well. My obvious concerns are I/O. In our environment I would say we usually have no more than 30 active jobs (including children) running at a time. Our average is probably 10 or less, with bursts of 30.

--
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Digital Motorworks, Inc [url=tel:%28512%29%20692%20-%201038](512) 692 - 1038[/url]



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We have the entire operating system of the master server on SAN (which also happens to house NBU and its catalog), and it is replicated to our DR site. Once we get there, we just power it up and fly. The caveat to using SAN is that it looks like local disk to the master. I am not sure about iSCSI or FCoE, but I would assume they would be treated the same as well, with my caveat, of course.


From: "Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner < at > water.com> To: "Sanders, Nate" <sandersn < at > dmotorworks.com>, "wts < at > maine.edu" <wts < at > maine.edu> Cc: "VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu" <VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu> Date: 11/15/2011 05:09 PM Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog on NAS/SAN Sent by: veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu



In point of fact it only says NO to NFS/CIFS. The original question also asked about SAN as well and I don’t know of any prohibition against that but as others have noted you’d want to make sure the disk array used is backed up to other locations because if the array fails you’d lose both your other data and the catalog you need to restore that data.





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Yeah that was pretty much what I figured.

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http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH16116 says "No".

http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH33326 says "No".


Cheers, Wayne
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What’s the best practice on moving the NBU master catalog to an NFS mount or a SAN share? With all the drama going on around our catalog size and the new Isilon, I’m beginning to wonder if we’ll out grow out current master servers local disk soon. I’ll be digging through Symantec PDFs, but thought I would throw it out here for you all as well. My obvious concerns are I/O. In our environment I would say we usually have no more than 30 active jobs (including children) running at a time. Our average is probably 10 or less, with bursts of 30.

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Digital Motorworks, Inc [url=tel:%28512%29%20692%20-%201038](512) 692 - 1038[/url]



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We also have our Catalog connected to a LUN on the SAN. That we we can expand the LUN if needed, as out catalog grows. We also make a catalog backup to our DR site so that we could retreirve our catalog if the primary data center had an issue.

In my environment, I treat it like a Life Boat - I want my boat to float
and have the Catalog available if there was a major SAN issue.

Although CatBackup is backed to tape, I do occasionly create a DR copy
if required (ie: During Maintenance of SAN)!

Each to their own
Simon

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We also have our Catalog connected to a LUN on the SAN. That we we can
expand the LUN if needed, as out catalog grows. We also make a catalog
backup to our DR site so that we could retreirve our catalog if the
primary data center had an issue.

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