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I know I can get the information using vltadm but that takes several
steps and just writes to the outout to the screen.


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How can I use the command line to printout the vault profiles?
Is there a bppllist <vault_profile> -U equivalent?

I miss the old dup_param scripts.... sigh

Bob Stump FNIS


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Where is vltadm ?

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I know I can get the information using vltadm but that takes several
steps and just writes to the outout to the screen.


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NetBackup 6.5.3 w/Vault Solaris 9 master server

How can I use the command line to printout the vault profiles?
Is there a bppllist <vault_profile> -U equivalent?

I miss the old dup_param scripts.... sigh

Bob Stump FNIS


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Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running successfully?

Thanks,

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I have not tried it yet, I need to talk to hour virus guy because he has
Symantec live update set up and I want to make sure we don't step on
each other. So I had not even tried.


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Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup Live Update.

Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've
seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying
to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is
supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again
without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running
successfully?

Thanks,

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The two are vastly different. NBU LiveUpdate probably could not co-exist on a SAV LU Server because the files which identify which packages to get would not contain information about the other product (i.e. a NBU LU Server would not contain information on SAV and vice-versa). Because there are checksums involved in the process, manually editing and combining the files in question (like the livetri files) would not work.

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I have not tried it yet, I need to talk to hour virus guy because he has
Symantec live update set up and I want to make sure we don't step on
each other. So I had not even tried.


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Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup Live Update.

Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've
seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying
to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is
supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again
without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running
successfully?

Thanks,

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I have successfully gotten it working with a IIS 6.0 Web Server and a Solaris 10 Client. So far it looks pretty sweet, I'm actually gearing up for a full out deployment of it soon now that I have my test case working.

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Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running successfully?

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Yes...the biggest problem is that the documentation for how to set it up is not very good. Once you set it up right, it is pretty easy and works well. I will see if we have an updated documentation for set up and get it posted. Couple of questions. What platform are you trying to use for your live update server? I also want to make sure you are not combining it with your Windows Live Update server? What method are you trying to use for LiveUpdate? Let me know and I will get you out some updated documentation.

Renee Carlisle
ServerWare Corporation

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Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running successfully?

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i have finished all, now netbackup running.

Thank for every support, thank you, thank you......

You can disable mpxio on a per-port basis instead of global....after all you do have disk attached and may want/need multipathing to the disk. Use a separate HBA for the tape and changer that is outside the control of mpxio.

/opt/openv/netbackup/bin/vltadm

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Where is vltadm ?

Doug Preston

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I know I can get the information using vltadm but that takes several
steps and just writes to the outout to the screen.


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NetBackup 6.5.3 w/Vault Solaris 9 master server

How can I use the command line to printout the vault profiles?
Is there a bppllist <vault_profile> -U equivalent?

I miss the old dup_param scripts.... sigh

Bob Stump FNIS


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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Michitsch, John <JMICHITS < at > gannett.com ([email]JMICHITS < at > gannett.com[/email])> wrote:
Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running successfully?


There are many caveats to getting this going properly and some are severe enough that we're not able to implement it for us for some of the clients. We had a lengthy discussion with the developers of the client deployment packages at the last Symantec Tech Day in December so they're aware of the restrictions.

One of the biggest gotchas for us is that it's pretty much unusable in a cluster environment. One of its checks is to see if the client is actually doing a backup before it tries to upgrade itself. If you have multiple names for your hosts - and this is the case for close to 100% of the cluster users - this check can fail and your backup and/or upgrade job will fail.

In general, the NetBackup support for cluster clients is pretty poor. Yeah, Symantec has hacked "support" in there but it's simply the case of not breaking in a cluster but that's about it. LiveUpdate is just another example of where Symantec's cluster "support" fails to solve the problems properly.
.../Ed

Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE
ewilts < at > ewilts.org ([email]ewilts < at > ewilts.org[/email])

I could never get LU to install and actually work. I ended up just settling on updating each of the clients through the install client script. It may be a pain the first time, but I set up authentication key access to speed up direct access from master-to-client.

Now it just takes a few moments to run the script. I run it per client as I’ve learned in the past that when updating all clients at once that it introduced errors in some instances.

Dustin D'Amour
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Plateau Wireless
575.389.4189 - office
575.309.6372 - cell
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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup Live Update.


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Michitsch, John <JMICHITS < at > gannett.com ([email]JMICHITS < at > gannett.com[/email])> wrote:
Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running successfully?


There are many caveats to getting this going properly and some are severe enough that we're not able to implement it for us for some of the clients. We had a lengthy discussion with the developers of the client deployment packages at the last Symantec Tech Day in December so they're aware of the restrictions.

One of the biggest gotchas for us is that it's pretty much unusable in a cluster environment. One of its checks is to see if the client is actually doing a backup before it tries to upgrade itself. If you have multiple names for your hosts - and this is the case for close to 100% of the cluster users - this check can fail and your backup and/or upgrade job will fail.

In general, the NetBackup support for cluster clients is pretty poor. Yeah, Symantec has hacked "support" in there but it's simply the case of not breaking in a cluster but that's about it. LiveUpdate is just another example of where Symantec's cluster "support" fails to solve the problems properly.
.../Ed

Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE
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NB 6.5.3

I am trying to use this command to get just the parent jobs
in mm/dd/yy date formant and not unix epoch format.

(I will settle for all jobs if need be)

So I want to supply a list of servers in a for loop
Get the parent job for that client
What I am looking for is the active start and end times

But I am having issues getting that in mm/dd/yy format.

Anybody got any ideas or other commands I could use?

John-

What kinds of problems did you have when you first tried this?

Here are the notes I took when I last set up LU, setting it up on 6.5GA and then patching to 6.5.1.

1) Set up the a disk share to store the LiveUpdate bundles. When you configure the NetBackup LiveUpdate Agent you must specify this location. Note that the location is referred to as the NetBackup LiveUpdate Server in the 6.5 Installation Guide.
2) Populate the LiveUpdate Server with the NBU LU bundles. Here is where you obtain the bundles, downloaded from http://www.symantec.com/business/support/downloads.jsp?pid=15143. filter on 'FileTypes' and pick 'LiveUpdate'.

3) Install NetBackup LiveUpdate Agent from the UNIX Options CD. (NOTE: for windows, this is part of the NBU 6.5 installer)

4) Create the LiveUpdate policy on the Master Server.

5) Launch the LiveUpdate policy.
HTH
rob



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Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running successfully?

Thanks,

Johnny

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Ed,

Curious to know what issues/what type of clusters you had trouble with? What method were you using? We generally use http and have updated clients in a application cluster without any issues.

Renee

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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup Live Update.


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Michitsch, John <JMICHITS < at > gannett.com ([email]JMICHITS < at > gannett.com[/email])> wrote:
Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running successfully?


There are many caveats to getting this going properly and some are severe enough that we're not able to implement it for us for some of the clients. We had a lengthy discussion with the developers of the client deployment packages at the last Symantec Tech Day in December so they're aware of the restrictions.

One of the biggest gotchas for us is that it's pretty much unusable in a cluster environment. One of its checks is to see if the client is actually doing a backup before it tries to upgrade itself. If you have multiple names for your hosts - and this is the case for close to 100% of the cluster users - this check can fail and your backup and/or upgrade job will fail.

In general, the NetBackup support for cluster clients is pretty poor. Yeah, Symantec has hacked "support" in there but it's simply the case of not breaking in a cluster but that's about it. LiveUpdate is just another example of where Symantec's cluster "support" fails to solve the problems properly.
.../Ed

Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE
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OK, first rule…forget the documentation Symantec gives you for this process..unfortunately it is not great. Here is what we use to get http going for lu for either Windows or Unix. We have had no problem with it now that we have the process down..and have been able to patch application clusters…so not sure what other people have seen there. Hope this helps:

OK, we usually use http. The disk share method is for Windows only and Unix clients can’t get to the patches, which kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion. So, we stick with http…here is the process we use:

For unix live update server http access:

<![if !supportLists]>1. <![endif]>Pull down patches to lu server/dir, unzip all in same dir (no subdirs for each patch bundle)
<![if !supportLists]>2. <![endif]>turn on http on lu server
/etc/init.d/apache start (first copy /etc/apache/httpd-example.conf --> httpd.conf)
<![if !supportLists]>3. <![endif]>ln -s <liveupdate dir> /var/apache/htdocs/<liveupdate dir name> or where ever www root is, above is default, this setting can be determined from the apach.conf file in /etc/apache/apache.conf
<![if !supportLists]>4. <![endif]>install nblu on any
/usr/openv/netbackup/bin/install_nblu
when prompted type in:
url=http://<liveupdateserver</<liveupdatedir>
<![if !supportLists]>5. <![endif]>Create lu policies per normal documentation and go

For windows live update server http access:

<![if !supportLists]>1. <![endif]>Install IIS, need windows install cd, control panel/add remove programs/windows components/application services/IIS (must go into details at each level to unselect and select components you want for IIS and www)
<![if !supportLists]>2. <![endif]>Start www service
<![if !supportLists]>3. <![endif]>Launch IIS manager, highlight default web site, right click, new virtual dir.
<![if !supportLists]>4. <![endif]>Put all patches in wwwrootliveupdate (c:inetpubwwwrootcreate virtual dir in IIS for liveupdate
<![if !supportLists]>5. <![endif]>Unzip all in same dir (no subdirs)
<![if !supportLists]>6. <![endif]>SET LU_SERVER=http://<luserver>/liveupdate (in installdir/symantec/liveupdate/LU_install.bat, then run it, make sure you have 3 exe's in there with it, LUCheck, LU_Registration LUSetup, all 4 files on NBU windows install cd)

**NOTES: keep all dir names and servernames lower case for unix/windows

Renee Carlisle
ServerWare Coporation

From: veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:10 PM
To: Michitsch, John
Cc: VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup Live Update.


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Michitsch, John <JMICHITS < at > gannett.com ([email]JMICHITS < at > gannett.com[/email])> wrote:
Is anyone using this to upgrade client agents. All things I've seen/read are negative about the product. We wasted many hours trying to get it to work on version 6.5 when it first came out. 6.5.3 is supposed to fix some issues, I don't want to go down the LU road again without the possibility of success! Anyone have it up and running successfully?


There are many caveats to getting this going properly and some are severe enough that we're not able to implement it for us for some of the clients. We had a lengthy discussion with the developers of the client deployment packages at the last Symantec Tech Day in December so they're aware of the restrictions.

One of the biggest gotchas for us is that it's pretty much unusable in a cluster environment. One of its checks is to see if the client is actually doing a backup before it tries to upgrade itself. If you have multiple names for your hosts - and this is the case for close to 100% of the cluster users - this check can fail and your backup and/or upgrade job will fail.

In general, the NetBackup support for cluster clients is pretty poor. Yeah, Symantec has hacked "support" in there but it's simply the case of not breaking in a cluster but that's about it. LiveUpdate is just another example of where Symantec's cluster "support" fails to solve the problems properly.
.../Ed

Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE
ewilts < at > ewilts.org ([email]ewilts < at > ewilts.org[/email])