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I am reviewing site licenses and noticed that I have some Tier_1 and Tier_2.
I also have some licenses that do not have a Tier defined. Which tier would
they be?
What is the difference between Tier_1 and Tier_2 for VERITAS NetBackup

And..
Yes I am trying to contact my VERITAS sale representative but I thought this
community would be faster.

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The class of machine.
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Though I thought it was A/B/C
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F'rinstance...a Sun V240 I have is a Tier A, whereas my V880's are Tier
C.
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Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Stump,
Robert (Contractor) (J6B)
Sent: January 19, 2005 12:03 PM
To: veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Tier_1 vs Tier_2
=09
=09

I am reviewing site licenses and noticed that I have some Tier_1
and Tier_2.=20
I also have some licenses that do not have a Tier defined. Which
tier would they be?=20
What is the difference between Tier_1 and Tier_2 for VERITAS
NetBackup=20

And..=20
Yes I am trying to contact my VERITAS sale representative but I
thought this community would be faster.=20

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I have the same at our installation.

We are a Windows only shop, and the info I got on this was something like:

Tier 1 - 1 cpu server
Tier 2 - 2 cpu server
Tier 3 - 4 cpu server
Tier 4 - 8 cpu server

But since we have never had anything but 2 and 4 cpu servers for the last 4
years (we moved to NBU 4 years ago) I think that we got all the Tier 1
licenses for our servers to make the offer we got for NBU fit into the
budget I had.

But the info I have received on this subject has changed as many times as I
have asked. Both when I ask the company we got the licenses from (in our
case StorageTek) and directly to our accountmanager at Veritas.

Basicly I just play with "open cards" to both StorageTek and Veritas and
what I do with the licenses and since none of them have complained I don't
care.

It's a little like with licenses from Microsoft. It's difficult to live up
to the licenspolicies if the vendor can't explain you what their
licenspolicy is.

/johnny

At 12:03 19-01-2005 -0500, Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B) wrote:

I am reviewing site licenses and noticed that I have some Tier_1 and Tier_2.
I also have some licenses that do not have a Tier defined. Which tier
would they be?
What is the difference between Tier_1 and Tier_2 for VERITAS NetBackup

And..
Yes I am trying to contact my VERITAS sale representative but I thought
this community would be faster.

--=====================_4903671==_.ALT

You should be able to get a copy of the Tier sheet from your Veritas rep.
There are different Tiers for UNIX, Windows/Linux, and NDMP servers. As far
as I know the Tier sheet hasn't been updated since 10/12/04.

I always prefer just giving them the model of the server I'm putting the
license on and making them figure out at time of purchase what Tier it is.
=)

SSO, Protect Workstation/Server, and Library-Based Tape drive licenses don't
have Tiers attached, I'm pretty sure the rest of them will.

John Nardello
T-Mobile: Enterprise Systems Backup Group Technical Lead
"Your backups are only as good as your restores."

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:30 AM
To: Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B); veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Tier_1 vs Tier_2


I have the same at our installation.

We are a Windows only shop, and the info I got on this was something like:

Tier 1 - 1 cpu server
Tier 2 - 2 cpu server
Tier 3 - 4 cpu server
Tier 4 - 8 cpu server

But since we have never had anything but 2 and 4 cpu servers for the last 4
years (we moved to NBU 4 years ago) I think that we got all the Tier 1
licenses for our servers to make the offer we got for NBU fit into the
budget I had.

But the info I have received on this subject has changed as many times as I
have asked. Both when I ask the company we got the licenses from (in our
case StorageTek) and directly to our accountmanager at Veritas.

Basicly I just play with "open cards" to both StorageTek and Veritas and
what I do with the licenses and since none of them have complained I don't
care.

It's a little like with licenses from Microsoft. It's difficult to live up
to the licenspolicies if the vendor can't explain you what their
licenspolicy is.

/johnny

At 12:03 19-01-2005 -0500, Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B) wrote:



I am reviewing site licenses and noticed that I have some Tier_1 and Tier_2.

I also have some licenses that do not have a Tier defined. Which tier would
they be?
What is the difference between Tier_1 and Tier_2 for VERITAS NetBackup

And..
Yes I am trying to contact my VERITAS sale representative but I thought this
community would be faster.

We have just reviewed all of our licenses and as far as I can figure out:
All basic Windows clients are now the same tier (used to be different
tiers based on the number of CPU's)
The different Windows database options (such as Oracle, Lotus Notes,
Exchange, etc.) the tier is based on the number of CPUs.
Novell clients are all the same tier.
Unix clients the tier depends on the model and number of CPUs.
The tier for Master/Media servers are based on the number of CPUs for
Windows and Linux server (not sure about UNIX server).

Hope this helps a bit.

Regards,
Daniel Lupton
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"Nardello, John"
<John.Nardello < at > T-
Mobile.com> To
Sent by: "Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B)"
veritas-bu-admin < at > <Robert.Stump.ctr < at > dla.mil>,
mailman.eng.aubur veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
n.edu cc

Subject
20/01/2005 06:25 RE: [Veritas-bu] Tier_1 vs Tier_2
AM









You should be able to get a copy of the Tier sheet from your Veritas rep.
There are different Tiers for UNIX, Windows/Linux, and NDMP servers. As far
as I know the Tier sheet hasn't been updated since 10/12/04.

I always prefer just giving them the model of the server I'm putting the
license on and making them figure out at time of purchase what Tier it is.
=)

SSO, Protect Workstation/Server, and Library-Based Tape drive licenses
don't have Tiers attached, I'm pretty sure the rest of them will.


John Nardello
T-Mobile: Enterprise Systems Backup Group Technical Lead
"Your backups are only as good as your restores."


-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:30 AM
To: Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B);
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Tier_1 vs Tier_2

I have the same at our installation.

We are a Windows only shop, and the info I got on this was something
like:

Tier 1 - 1 cpu server
Tier 2 - 2 cpu server
Tier 3 - 4 cpu server
Tier 4 - 8 cpu server

But since we have never had anything but 2 and 4 cpu servers for the
last 4 years (we moved to NBU 4 years ago) I think that we got all
the Tier 1 licenses for our servers to make the offer we got for NBU
fit into the budget I had.

But the info I have received on this subject has changed as many
times as I have asked. Both when I ask the company we got the
licenses from (in our case StorageTek) and directly to our
accountmanager at Veritas.

Basicly I just play with "open cards" to both StorageTek and Veritas
and what I do with the licenses and since none of them have
complained I don't care.

It's a little like with licenses from Microsoft. It's difficult to
live up to the licenspolicies if the vendor can't explain you what
their licenspolicy is.

/johnny

At 12:03 19-01-2005 -0500, Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B) wrote:

I am reviewing site licenses and noticed that I have some
Tier_1 and Tier_2.
I also have some licenses that do not have a Tier defined.
Which tier would they be?
What is the difference between Tier_1 and Tier_2 for VERITAS
NetBackup

And..
Yes I am trying to contact my VERITAS sale representative but I
thought this community would be faster.


This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed
and is not intended to be relied upon by any other person. Accordingly,
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in negligence) for the consequences for any other person acting, or
refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those
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Careful....the licenses to back up a client are not Tiered. Only licenses you install on a Master/Media server of some kind have Tiers - and only some of those. =)

Example environment:
HP rp7420 Media Server w/3 attached drives from an L700.
Backs up 30 UNIX servers across the LAN.
Backs up 10 Windows servers across the LAN.
Backs up the Administrator's laptop across the LAN. =)

Licenses required for example:
one UNIX media server license, Tier 3
one Library Based Tape Drive license for three drives (no Tier)
forty "Protect Server" licenses (no Tier)
one "Protect workstation" license (no Tier)

Wasn't sure if that's what you meant but thought I'd clarify for everyone else. The UNIX Tier levels are based on the class of the server instead of CPUs.

As an additional tidbit, we've been told that as of early December virtual libraries are licensed based on the total size of the library not the number of virtual drives you create with it.

John Nardello
T-Mobile: Enterprise Systems Backup Group Technical Lead
"Your backups are only as good as your restores."


-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]On Behalf Of Daniel
Lupton
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:33 PM
To: veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Tier_1 vs Tier_2


We have just reviewed all of our licenses and as far as I can figure out:
All basic Windows clients are now the same tier (used to be different
tiers based on the number of CPU's)
The different Windows database options (such as Oracle, Lotus Notes,
Exchange, etc.) the tier is based on the number of CPUs.
Novell clients are all the same tier.
Unix clients the tier depends on the model and number of CPUs.
The tier for Master/Media servers are based on the number of CPUs for
Windows and Linux server (not sure about UNIX server).

Hope this helps a bit.

Regards,
Daniel Lupton
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Daniel Lupton | Enterprise Systems and Security Administrator | Tabcorp |
| Technical Services - Star City | Email: LuptonD < at > starcity.com.au |
| Ext: 7651 | Phone: 9657 7651 |
| 80 Pyrmont Street, Pyrmont, NSW 2009, Australia |
| Star City | Tabcorp |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|





"Nardello, John"
<John.Nardello < at > T-
Mobile.com> To
Sent by: "Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B)"
veritas-bu-admin < at > <Robert.Stump.ctr < at > dla.mil>,
mailman.eng.aubur veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
n.edu cc

Subject
20/01/2005 06:25 RE: [Veritas-bu] Tier_1 vs Tier_2
AM









You should be able to get a copy of the Tier sheet from your Veritas rep.
There are different Tiers for UNIX, Windows/Linux, and NDMP servers. As far
as I know the Tier sheet hasn't been updated since 10/12/04.

I always prefer just giving them the model of the server I'm putting the
license on and making them figure out at time of purchase what Tier it is.
=)

SSO, Protect Workstation/Server, and Library-Based Tape drive licenses
don't have Tiers attached, I'm pretty sure the rest of them will.


John Nardello
T-Mobile: Enterprise Systems Backup Group Technical Lead
"Your backups are only as good as your restores."


-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:30 AM
To: Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B);
veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Tier_1 vs Tier_2

I have the same at our installation.

We are a Windows only shop, and the info I got on this was something
like:

Tier 1 - 1 cpu server
Tier 2 - 2 cpu server
Tier 3 - 4 cpu server
Tier 4 - 8 cpu server

But since we have never had anything but 2 and 4 cpu servers for the
last 4 years (we moved to NBU 4 years ago) I think that we got all
the Tier 1 licenses for our servers to make the offer we got for NBU
fit into the budget I had.

But the info I have received on this subject has changed as many
times as I have asked. Both when I ask the company we got the
licenses from (in our case StorageTek) and directly to our
accountmanager at Veritas.

Basicly I just play with "open cards" to both StorageTek and Veritas
and what I do with the licenses and since none of them have
complained I don't care.

It's a little like with licenses from Microsoft. It's difficult to
live up to the licenspolicies if the vendor can't explain you what
their licenspolicy is.

/johnny

At 12:03 19-01-2005 -0500, Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B) wrote:

I am reviewing site licenses and noticed that I have some
Tier_1 and Tier_2.
I also have some licenses that do not have a Tier defined.
Which tier would they be?
What is the difference between Tier_1 and Tier_2 for VERITAS
NetBackup

And..
Yes I am trying to contact my VERITAS sale representative but I
thought this community would be faster.


This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed
and is not intended to be relied upon by any other person. Accordingly,
Star City disclaims all responsibility and accepts no liability (including
in negligence) for the consequences for any other person acting, or
refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those
persons of subsequent written confirmation.

If you have received this document in error, please notify our Helpdesk
immediately by telephone on 61 2 9657 9797. Please also destroy and delete
the document from your computer.

Copyright Star City Pty Ltd. Any form of reproduction, dissemination,
copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this
document and its contents is strictly prohibited.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 02:43:07PM -0800, Nardello, John wrote:
Careful....the licenses to back up a client are not Tiered. Only
licenses you install on a Master/Media server of some kind have Tiers
- and only some of those. =)

Example environment:
HP rp7420 Media Server w/3 attached drives from an L700.
Backs up 30 UNIX servers across the LAN.
Backs up 10 Windows servers across the LAN.
Backs up the Administrator's laptop across the LAN. =)

Licenses required for example:
one UNIX media server license, Tier 3
one Library Based Tape Drive license for three drives (no Tier)
forty "Protect Server" licenses (no Tier)
one "Protect workstation" license (no Tier)

They must do things different down under - that's not the way it's
licensed in the US. Here we would need a master server license, a
media server license (if that rp7420 is a separate server) and 41 client
licenses in a tier appropriate to the size of the client (frequently
based on the number of cpus in the system). You also need licenses for
the number of tape drives. A base license includes some tape drives but
I can't remember how many (2 or 4 I think).

Wasn't sure if that's what you meant but thought I'd clarify for
everyone else. The UNIX Tier levels are based on the class of the
server instead of CPUs.

That depends too. With Linux client licenses, it depends on the number
of CPUs in the box. I can't remember off the of my head on the HPUX
licenses.

--
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts < at > ewilts.org

That was a US example, and I was assuming a Master server existed already. =)

I was quizzing our Veritas rep repeatedly during our recent license audit and he told me the clients themselves don't have Tiered licenses. Also included in my answers from him was the fact that master and media servers do not also require a client license to be backed up - it's assumed. I did mention the licenses for the # of tape drives (Library Based Tape Drive license) in my reply previously.

Sorry I wasn't specific enough when I said UNIX....Intel servers running Windows or Linux go off the # of CPUs. Other server types have licenses based off of the class of the server.

Hope that clears things up.
John Nardello
T-Mobile: Enterprise Systems Backup Group Technical Lead
"Your backups are only as good as your restores."


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Wilts [mailto:ewilts < at > ewilts.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:30 PM
To: Nardello, John
Cc: Daniel Lupton; veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Tier_1 vs Tier_2


On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 02:43:07PM -0800, Nardello, John wrote:
Careful....the licenses to back up a client are not Tiered. Only
licenses you install on a Master/Media server of some kind have Tiers
- and only some of those. =)

Example environment:
HP rp7420 Media Server w/3 attached drives from an L700.
Backs up 30 UNIX servers across the LAN.
Backs up 10 Windows servers across the LAN.
Backs up the Administrator's laptop across the LAN. =)

Licenses required for example:
one UNIX media server license, Tier 3
one Library Based Tape Drive license for three drives (no Tier)
forty "Protect Server" licenses (no Tier)
one "Protect workstation" license (no Tier)

They must do things different down under - that's not the way it's
licensed in the US. Here we would need a master server license, a
media server license (if that rp7420 is a separate server) and 41 client
licenses in a tier appropriate to the size of the client (frequently
based on the number of cpus in the system). You also need licenses for
the number of tape drives. A base license includes some tape drives but
I can't remember how many (2 or 4 I think).

Wasn't sure if that's what you meant but thought I'd clarify for
everyone else. The UNIX Tier levels are based on the class of the
server instead of CPUs.

That depends too. With Linux client licenses, it depends on the number
of CPUs in the box. I can't remember off the of my head on the HPUX
licenses.

--
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts < at > ewilts.org